tennyson wrote:

TheLagerLad wrote:

tennyson wrote:

BTW, does ANYONE know the particulars of what these reported emails are about. 

The typical operatives appear to be all over this apparently without knowing themselves. Not exactly surprising. Neither the press or politicians waste an opportunity. 

It will be interesting to see just what is involved in these emails and were they received or sent. 

 

At the end of the day, it comes down to this, IMHO: government officials should not be handling government material outside of government Information Technology oversight.

Looking backwards, we can always say that anything transmitted over the Clinton e-mail server wasn't a big deal. But at the time they were sent/recieved/stored on an unsecured, unvalidated, e-mail server, no one could say that. 

 

I certainly do not disagree that it was entirely the wrong thing to do. 

I DO want to know (and I hope others do too)  just what are the actual document findings. I think it is critical the general public is made aware of the type info thus discovered and its potential impact. 

Also, do you know that the server was not secured ?  I would expect there was some level of security on the server that even a novice administrator would have put in place. An entirely different topic, but government servers themselves are exposed by inadequate security measures including inadequate security controls over routers and switches. 
 

Good... you agree what was done was completely wrong. Some of what went thru and was stored on her server will come out but but the highly classified stuff won't because it's classified! The IG reported to congress that he has statements from the IC that confirms that some material was TS/SAP! Before the IG was allowed to see that material he and the staff had to be "read" on the program because it's so sensitive. Anyone who has a clearance to handle classified materiel has to sign a nondisclosure agreement. An agreement that last your life time!
Someone violated their agreement by storing and transmitting classified material on a non-approved unclassified system.

The other put classified information on a non-approved unclassified system. Not sure how this could be seen as any better. Who ever did this violated their nondisclosure agreement. There is no way to spin this. What happened was just plain improper at best at worst criminal.

Common Sense wrote:

The other put classified information on a non-approved unclassified system. Not sure how this could be seen as any better. Who ever did this violated their nondisclosure agreement. There is no way to spin this. What happened was just plain improper at best at worst criminal.

 
When I was in the U.S. Navy as a communications specialist I witnessed on more than one occasion classified messages being sent out over uncovered nets. One particular instance by the XO of one ship I was on. I stopped the guy who was old to send it out (as I was watch supervisor in radio central at the time), and took the message to the XO and explained that he either had to unclassify the message or send it out over a properly covered net. He ordered me to send it as he specified. I asked if he was giving me a direct order and he curtly said 'yes'. I said I would put that in the supervisor's log, and sent it out over the net he ordered.

Look, messages get classified and re-classified all the time: unclass to unclass EFTO, to confidential, to secret, to top secret (with or without add on specs). And any classified message (above unclass designation) must be sent out over a cryptologically covered circuit. Even after the message is sent out to all addressees one of the recipients may decide that, because of one piece of the message is critical operational information, the message should have been classified. So, the up the classification and to cover everybody's butt, they redact portions of the original unclassified message.

If it is a criminal act, from my experience, there's a hell of a lot of criminals in the armed forces and the government.

Rongone wrote:

Common Sense wrote:

The other put classified information on a non-approved unclassified system. Not sure how this could be seen as any better. Who ever did this violated their nondisclosure agreement. There is no way to spin this. What happened was just plain improper at best at worst criminal.

 
When I was in the U.S. Navy as a communications specialist I witnessed on more than one occasion classified messages being sent out over uncovered nets. One particular instance by the XO of one ship I was on. I stopped the guy who was old to send it out (as I was watch supervisor in radio central at the time), and took the message to the XO and explained that he either had to unclassify the message or send it out over a properly covered net. He ordered me to send it as he specified. I asked if he was giving me a direct order and he curtly said 'yes'. I said I would put that in the supervisor's log, and sent it out over the net he ordered.

Look, messages get classified and re-classified all the time: unclass to unclass EFTO, to confidential, to secret, to top secret (with or without add on specs). And any classified message (above unclass designation) must be sent out over a cryptologically covered circuit. Even after the message is sent out to all addressees one of the recipients may decide that, because of one piece of the message is critical operational information, the message should have been classified. So, the up the classification and to cover everybody's butt, they redact portions of the original unclassified message.

If it is a criminal act, from my experience, there's a hell of a lot of criminals in the armed forces and the government.

I love the excuse that someone else is doing it so it OK!  Never mind everyone does it?
You don't put classified information on an unclassified system. If you do you are violating Federal law!

Well, that didn't take long - the new BENGHAZI ! 

The head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee said Wednesday he intends to convene a classified meeting to get to the bottom of what’s on Hillary Clinton’s email server.“I’ve been very surprised by the substance [of recent investigative findings] and we plan to get into it in more detail in a classified setting,” Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) told The Post. “We are trying to figure out the best way to understand what has occurred.”

Translation: This will be the new Becahazi and we will have countless investigations and committies costing the American people millions of dollars. Of course it is all about getting to the facts and nothing else ! 

 

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