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2/19/2015 1:57 pm  #1


A Gun on Every Corner

Gail Collins

Earlier this month — right between Groundhog Day and Valentine’s Day — Senator John Cornyn of Texas introduced a bill that would allow people from states with lax gun laws to carry their concealed weapons all around the country.

The goal, Cornyn said in a press release, is to treat local gun permits “like drivers’ licenses.”

“This operates more or less like a driver’s license,” he told a reporter for The Hill. “So, for example, if you have a driver’s license in Texas, you can drive in New York, in Utah, and other places subject to the laws in those states.”

This is perfectly reasonable, except for the part about gun permits being anything whatsoever like drivers’ licenses. If a citizen from Mississippi shows his driver’s license to someone in Connecticut, the Connecticut person has good reason to presume that the licensee can, um, drive. It’s not a perfect system — witness the fact that there are many, many licensed drivers in America who have successfully parallel parked only one time in their entire life. But, still, no matter what state it comes from, a driver’s license generally signifies a certain level of accomplishment when it comes to the basics of stopping, starting and steering.

On the other hand, a permit to carry a concealed weapon from Mississippi is concrete proof of the owner’s ability to fill out an application. In Virginia, you can take an online course. You can get a permit from Florida without ever living in Florida, although you definitely do have to send $112 to the State Department of Agriculture.

In some states, you can be pretty certain that anyone with the legal right to carry a concealed weapon has been checked out carefully. In others, not so much. In 2007, The Sun Sentinel in Florida found that in a six-month period, more than 1,400 people who had pleaded guilty or no contest to felonies had been awarded concealed carry permits, along with 216 people with outstanding warrants, 28 people with active domestic violence injunctions against them, and six registered sex offenders.

The Cornyn bill would set a national bar at the lowest denominator.

“The situation in Florida is dire enough on its own. But this law would present a danger to the rest of us because of Florida’s abhorrently low standards,” said Dan Gross, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. “Think about this in terms of states’ rights.”

You’d think that states’ rights would be a winning argument. However, as with so many, many things in this world, states’ rights is a theory that people only like when it’s going to get them something they already want.

In many crowded cities, gun safety means there’s almost nobody carrying but the cops. But it’s impossible to keep that kind of order when people are roaming the streets waving out-of-town gun permits, which local police frequently have no way to verify.

“It’s a nightmare for New York law enforcement,” said Senator Charles Schumer of New York. “In 20 states you can have a repeated history of mental health police visits and you can get a gun. You can have a domestic violence record. In many states, people subject to emergency orders of protection can be allowed to carry.”

Cornyn’s bill has been the top priority of groups like the National Rifle Association for years. That is, in part, because their base is irritated about not being able to drive around the country with a handgun in the glove compartment.

However, I suspect another part of the equation is that the gun lobby is running out of causes to rally the troops. Some states have already pretty much legalized everything. Once you’ve made it O.K. to carry a gun onto a playground, you’ve just about come to the end of the road. The N.R.A. doesn’t want to recruit members by arguing for Texans’ right to wave a pistol around the small appliance department at Target. It wants a big, meaty challenge — like fighting for looser gun regulation in states where the populace doesn’t want looser gun regulation.

Nobody doubts that the House of Representatives would pass a bill like Cornyn’s. (Really, just call them; they’ll come in and do it before dinner tonight.) The Senate has been more resistant, but, in 2013, the same proposal came within three votes of passage. And this is not an issue where minds are changed by an invigorating debate.

“You say: ‘Look, maybe this works in the rural parts of your state but it doesn’t work in Times Square,’ ” said Schumer. “They’re not even open to the argument.”

Now, with the new Republican majority, it’ll be extremely hard to keep a bill from being sent to the president. He could always veto it. Unless, of course, it was tied to some crucial, desperately needed measure.

“This is awful, awful, awful,” said Schumer.

Maybe our best hope is that Congress will do what it does best and fail to pass any legislation whatsoever for the rest of the year.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

2/19/2015 6:10 pm  #2


Re: A Gun on Every Corner

So tack on a national gun registry.

Oh, wait, that would be infringing on someone's rights.


If you make yourself miserable trying to make others happy that means everyone is miserable.

-Me again

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2/21/2015 5:17 pm  #3


Re: A Gun on Every Corner

If you support states’ rights then you would have to oppose this bill. I understand the problems that can occur when you cross a state line from Pa to Maryland. In Pa it’s perfectly legal but in MD you just committed a felony? Or if for some reason your flight is diverted to New York and you have a legal weapon in your checked bag. In New York it’s a felony….. It’s happened. I would hope that prosecutors would take the entire story before going forward with a prosecution. I think States right are very important so I would oppose this bill as well intention as it is.
 


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2/24/2015 7:20 pm  #4


Re: A Gun on Every Corner

Ah, so here you guys are. I logged in a week or two ago and saw that there were no posts for several days and knew something was going on.

This bill came up on the Baltimore Sun forums a couple years ago. At the time my daily commute went from PA to VA. With my PA CCP valid in VA, the trip through MD would, to stay legal, require me to unload my gun and store it in the lockbox in the trunk during my commute through that state. So this bill would have been a benefit for travellers like me, but in the debate in that forum, I had the same opinion as CS, I felt it interfered with state rights. I especially was troubled that out of state citizens had more rights than a MD resident since it's almost impossible for them to get a CCP. But other pro 2nd A guys chipped in that the Fed has no problem trampling on states rights when it comes to gun control, so why not let the Feds force a pro gun law on the states? After all, they passed a law allowing an active or retired police to carry concealed in every state. So while this law would be of benefit to those of us with a CCP, I have mixed feelings about it.

 

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