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1/02/2016 6:43 am  #1


Qaeda Affiliate Uses Video of Donald Trump for Recruiting

Qaeda Affiliate Uses Video of Donald Trump for Recruiting

Al Qaeda’s branch in Somalia released a recruitment video on Friday that criticized racism and anti-Muslim sentiment in the United States and contained footage of the Republican presidential candidate Donald J. Trump announcing his proposal to bar Muslims from entering the country.

The video, released by the militant group Shabab, appeared to be the first time that Mr. Trump was featured in jihadist recruitment material. During a Democratic presidential debate last month, Hillary Clinton said that Mr. Trump had been used in a recruitment video for the Islamic State, a claim that was later debunked.

Al Qaeda and the Islamic State are rival jihadist groups that compete for recruits and money among radicalized Muslims.

Representatives for the Trump campaign did not respond to requests for comment on Friday.

The video was part of a series dedicated to Somali-American jihadists from Minnesota and one Canadian who died on the battlefield in Somalia. The video was authenticated by the SITE Intelligence Group, which studies jihadist propaganda, and it appeared to be aimed at the African-American community.

Citing “historical injustices” against African-Americans, including police brutality and racial profiling, the video urged them to convert to Islam and engage in jihad at home or abroad.

In addition to footage of Mr. Trump, the video, which is 51 minutes long, included excerpts from speeches by Malcolm X and unnamed white supremacists, as well as footage of white police officers, African-Americans protesting police brutality and African-American men in prison. Some appeared to be performing Islamic prayers.

Using footage of Anwar al-Awlaki, an American member of a Qaeda affiliate who was killed in an American drone attack in 2011, the video also said the United States was gripped by a “malignant hatred” of Islam. It warned American Muslims that “there are ominous clouds gathering in your horizon.”

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We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

1/02/2016 8:53 am  #2


Re: Qaeda Affiliate Uses Video of Donald Trump for Recruiting

It appears Trump and several others could be as labeled 'useful tools'.  Thanks, Donald.  He may be seen as a bit of a showman and snake oil salesman here in America, but that perception may be viewed differently in other parts of the world since he is becoming the face of the Republican Party and possible next president of the USA.

 

1/02/2016 9:08 am  #3


Re: Qaeda Affiliate Uses Video of Donald Trump for Recruiting

Just Fred wrote:

It appears Trump and several others could be as labeled 'useful tools'.  Thanks, Donald.  He may be seen as a bit of a showman and snake oil salesman here in America, but that perception may be viewed differently in other parts of the world since he is becoming the face of the Republican Party and possible next president of the USA.

Good observation.
I have started doing something.
When I state that trump appeals to certain darker emotions within the republican electorate, republican friends angrily state that Trump does not represent the views of most republicans, and that I am unfairly generalizing.
I now respond, "prove it".
Over the next 6 months we'll see.


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1/02/2016 12:41 pm  #4


Re: Qaeda Affiliate Uses Video of Donald Trump for Recruiting

I can see Trump spinning this into a positive for him.  The Islamic extremists obviously fear Trump, and that will resonate with Americans and Trump's numbers will likely improve.

 

1/02/2016 12:44 pm  #5


Re: Qaeda Affiliate Uses Video of Donald Trump for Recruiting

The Man wrote:

I can see Trump spinning this into a positive for him. The Islamic extremists obviously fear Trump, and that will resonate with Americans and Trump's numbers will likely improve.

Perhaps so.
Sadly, Trump turns this into a personal plus for him while making the task of our armed services and law enforcement agencies more difficult.


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1/02/2016 12:50 pm  #6


Re: Qaeda Affiliate Uses Video of Donald Trump for Recruiting

Goose wrote:

The Man wrote:

I can see Trump spinning this into a positive for him. The Islamic extremists obviously fear Trump, and that will resonate with Americans and Trump's numbers will likely improve.

Perhaps so.
Sadly, Trump turns this into a personal plus for him while making the task of our armed services and law enforcement agencies more difficult.

 
In all fairness, I would say that's entirely false.  Trump isn't the one running around murdering people, the Islamic extremists are.

 

1/02/2016 12:55 pm  #7


Re: Qaeda Affiliate Uses Video of Donald Trump for Recruiting

The Man wrote:

Goose wrote:

The Man wrote:

I can see Trump spinning this into a positive for him. The Islamic extremists obviously fear Trump, and that will resonate with Americans and Trump's numbers will likely improve.

Perhaps so.
Sadly, Trump turns this into a personal plus for him while making the task of our armed services and law enforcement agencies more difficult.

 
In all fairness, I would say that's entirely false. Trump isn't the one running around murdering people, the Islamic extremists are.

That wasn't my argument.

ISIS, and other extremist groups want to recruit members from the larger muslim community. Soldiers, funders, sympathizers,,, any type of support. To do this they want to sell a narrative that this is a struggle between the Christian world, and Islam. They tell muslims that they will never get a fair shake from the West. That they are hated and persecuted by the West.
Donald Trump, with his reckless remarks lends some credence to that narrative.
This makes their recruiting easier and our job harder.
 


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1/02/2016 12:59 pm  #8


Re: Qaeda Affiliate Uses Video of Donald Trump for Recruiting

Goose wrote:

The Man wrote:

Goose wrote:


Perhaps so.
Sadly, Trump turns this into a personal plus for him while making the task of our armed services and law enforcement agencies more difficult.

 
In all fairness, I would say that's entirely false. Trump isn't the one running around murdering people, the Islamic extremists are.

That wasn't my argument.

ISIS, and other extremist groups want to recruit members from the larger muslim community. Soldiers, funders, sympathizers,,, any type of support. To do this they want to sell a narrative that this is a struggle between the Christian world, and Islam. They tell muslims that they will never get a fair shake from the West. That they are hated and persecuted by the West.
Donald Trump, with his reckless remarks lends some credence to that narrative.
This makes their recruiting easier and our job harder.
 

 
They do that no matter who is in charge though.  You can't blame that on Trump.  If anything, it plays right into his favor of him calling for Muslims to be barred from traveling to the U.S., as they appear to be so unstable that simple words may likely drive them into a murderous rage.

 

1/02/2016 1:04 pm  #9


Re: Qaeda Affiliate Uses Video of Donald Trump for Recruiting

The Man wrote:

Goose wrote:

The Man wrote:

 
In all fairness, I would say that's entirely false. Trump isn't the one running around murdering people, the Islamic extremists are.

That wasn't my argument.

ISIS, and other extremist groups want to recruit members from the larger muslim community. Soldiers, funders, sympathizers,,, any type of support. To do this they want to sell a narrative that this is a struggle between the Christian world, and Islam. They tell muslims that they will never get a fair shake from the West. That they are hated and persecuted by the West.
Donald Trump, with his reckless remarks lends some credence to that narrative.
This makes their recruiting easier and our job harder.
 

 
They do that no matter who is in charge though. You can't blame that on Trump. If anything, it plays right into his favor of him calling for Muslims to be barred from traveling to the U.S., as they appear to be so unstable that simple words may likely drive them into a murderous rage.

Yes, I am well aware that they are recruiting and have been recruiting for some time. And that they try to sell a that narrative. I believe that I stated exactly that above.  Furthermore, I never suggested that terrorsits wouldn't recruit if it weren't for Trump. I never suggested anything remotely like that.

My point is that Trump makes selling that narrative easier. The extremists hate us and always will. The battle is for the hearts and minds of the overwhelming majority of muslims who are not "unstable".


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1/02/2016 1:09 pm  #10


Re: Qaeda Affiliate Uses Video of Donald Trump for Recruiting

So then this is really a non-story.  Islamic extremists have used Obama, Bush, Clinton and G.H.W Bush as recruiting tools, so why is it a big deal that they are using Trump, when he doesn't even have any power?

 

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