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Common Sense wrote:
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Cruz knows that Trump will eventually fall and he wants to be there to pick up his voting bloc.
On this point, I'll give Cruz credit for being a pretty shrewd politician. He's the only one out there trying to maintain peace with Trump.Lager do you think Trump will saying something or do something that will finally turn voters off/? Or other candidates will convince voters to make that change? Because......
I don't think Trump will do any one thing to "turn off" voters. But here's what I do think....
I don't know much about Donald's campaign apparatus. I've read articles that say it's better than most would think. But I just think back to 2004. Howard Dean had led all the polls. He was a Washington outsider. He was fairly bombastic next to John Kerry and Dick Gephart. He seemed like a total slam dunk to win Iowa. And then on caucus day, when voters were calling Dean campaign headquarters looking for a ride to the polls, there was no one there answering the phones. All of the attention was focused on the candidate, and not enough of the campaign.
And Dean lost to John Kerry, who quickly ate up all of Dean's support in New Hampshire and beat him there in the primary. And from there it was smooth sailing.
Trump is a win or nothing candidate. I'm assuming that Ted Cruz will win Iowa. And then from there, you'll see a likely four candidate tie in New Hampshire (Rubio, Trump, Cruz, Christie) and then from there it's pretty much Cruz and Rubio.
Because what can Trump say when he loses all three of the opening primary states? His campaign isn't built for the long haul.
I also refuse to believe voters are stupid enough to actually vote for him.
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You do wonder if Trump has a "ground game", that is a mechanism and structure beyond the cult of personality, that will be so important in places like Iowa. If, after Iowa and NH Trump is still winless, it certainly removes the air of inevitability that is starting to build for the Trump candidacy. However, the man's poll numbers are in the stratosphere. I don't get it, but I can't deny that it is there.
A general election poll right now doesn't mean much. However, republicans should note that Trump does horribly vs Clinton or Sanders compared to the other candidates.
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TheLagerLad wrote:
Common Sense wrote:
TheLagerLad wrote:
Cruz knows that Trump will eventually fall and he wants to be there to pick up his voting bloc.
On this point, I'll give Cruz credit for being a pretty shrewd politician. He's the only one out there trying to maintain peace with Trump.Lager do you think Trump will saying something or do something that will finally turn voters off/? Or other candidates will convince voters to make that change? Because......
I don't think Trump will do any one thing to "turn off" voters. But here's what I do think....
I don't know much about Donald's campaign apparatus. I've read articles that say it's better than most would think. But I just think back to 2004. Howard Dean had led all the polls. He was a Washington outsider. He was fairly bombastic next to John Kerry and Dick Gephart. He seemed like a total slam dunk to win Iowa. And then on caucus day, when voters were calling Dean campaign headquarters looking for a ride to the polls, there was no one there answering the phones. All of the attention was focused on the candidate, and not enough of the campaign.
And Dean lost to John Kerry, who quickly ate up all of Dean's support in New Hampshire and beat him there in the primary. And from there it was smooth sailing.
Trump is a win or nothing candidate. I'm assuming that Ted Cruz will win Iowa. And then from there, you'll see a likely four candidate tie in New Hampshire (Rubio, Trump, Cruz, Christie) and then from there it's pretty much Cruz and Rubio.
Because what can Trump say when he loses all three of the opening primary states? His campaign isn't built for the long haul.
I also refuse to believe voters are stupid enough to actually vote for him.
You make many good points but I think for a normal election. This election is not normal and Trump is not a normal candidate. When he first announced I thought it was some type of PR stunt. And then all of the pundits said he would not last. He won't be above 20%, He won't last a month and then he won't be above 25 that is his ceiling. Then he was polling at 30% And now there was a poll at 41%
And then it was Outrage! Trump said this and Trump said that! Time after time people said that is it. He is toast! Everyone was wrong.
Trump is an expert at the media game. Better than anyone I have seen. He knows what to say and how to say it.
There is a raw nerve exposed in the country today and he is an expert at using that to his advantage.
The intensity for him is off the charts. Trump is a guy who you either love or hate. Not much in between.
I don't think people who will caucus for him will worry about a ride to the polls. They will get there come hell or high water.
I think Trump will be the Nominee when this is all done? Buckle up it is just starting.
Here is an article about his ground game.
How Donald Trump’s ground game looks in early states
Billionaire has veteran operatives in Iowa, S.C., as he dominates polls
Poll after poll shows that Donald Trump is the candidate to beat for the Republican presidential nomination. But does he have the “ground game” to actually pull it off?
His organization in states early on the GOP primary calendar, at least, suggest he’s building the infrastructure that could help him win the nod, analysts say.Take Iowa and South Carolina. In Iowa, which holds the first caucuses of the 2016 White House race on Feb. 1, the billionaire has 12 paid staff members on the ground. That’s reportedly more than anyone except for Jeb Bush, and includes Chuck Laudner, the man behind Rick Santorum’s victory in Iowa’s GOP caucuses in 2012.
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One thing we should not neglect is the moment.
As was stated above, this is not - it appears so far - a normal election cycle.
Trump has been able to tap into, manipulate and feed the emotions of the times.
Fear of the other. Complete frustration with the performance of the elites. Concern that the character of the nation is changing. Fear that our power in the world is waning. The loss of a mythical past.
Trump is a master at pushing these buttons.
What he is not is some superman who is going to restore the past.
In other times he would easily be dismissed as a cartoonish blowhard. But these are not other times.
This time around you can say bigoted things. You can bluster. You can be a serial liar. It doesn't matter, if you can tap into voter angst.
Perhaps Trump's greatest feat was to be born at the right time.
I think that he is the likely nominee. I'm just starting to woder what that will mean for the GOP.