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12/09/2015 11:58 am  #1


Editorial Should people on the no-fly list be able to buy guns? Yes.

One more on the "No Fly  List" issue. From the LA Times

Should people on the no-fly list be able to buy guns? Yes.

Read here for the full story:

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-terrorist-watch-list-20151207-story.html

It seems simple enough: If the federal government, based on intelligence or policing, puts a person on its watch list of suspected terrorists or decrees that he or she is too dangerous to be allowed on an airplane, then surely it would also be foolish to let that person buy a firearm in the United States. Makes sense, doesn't it?

That was the thrust of a proposed law by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) that her Senate colleagues rejected last week amid much political furor. The idea was resuscitated by President Obama in his Oval Office address Sunday evening. "What could possibly be the argument for allowing a terrorist suspect to buy a semiautomatic weapon?" the president asked.When he puts it that way, it does sound pretty stupid. But, in fact, there are several strong arguments against the proposal.

Ending gun violence is critically important, but so is protecting basic civil liberties. -

 One problem is that the people on the no-fly list (as well as the broader terror watch list from which it is drawn) have not been convicted of doing anything wrong. They are merely suspected of having terror connections. And the United States doesn't generally punish or penalize people unless and until they have been charged and convicted of a crime.

In this case, the government would be infringing on a right guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution — and yes, like it or not, the right to buy a gun is a constitutional right according to the U.S. Supreme Court. How certain is it that the people on the two lists are dangerous?

Well, we don't really know, because the no-fly-list and the broader watch list are government secrets. People are not notified when they are put on, nor why, and they usually don't discover they have been branded suspected terrorists until they try to travel somewhere.

But serious flaws in the list have been identified. According to the American Civil Liberties Union, which is suing the government over the no-fly list, the two lists include thousands of names that have been added in error, as well as the names of family members of suspected terrorists.

The no-fly list has also been used to deny boarding passes to people who only share a name with a suspected terrorist. Former Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) was famously questioned at airports in 2004 because a terror suspect had used the alias "T. Kennedy." It took the senator's office three weeks to get his name cleared.
 


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
 

12/09/2015 12:00 pm  #2


Re: Editorial Should people on the no-fly list be able to buy guns? Yes.

I don't buy it.
Our love of guns is preventing us from even trying to keep them out of the hands of terrorists.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

12/09/2015 12:59 pm  #3


Re: Editorial Should people on the no-fly list be able to buy guns? Yes.

ACLU does not "LOVE" guns!  But they do worry about infringing on a right guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.


"But serious flaws in the list have been identified. According to the American Civil Liberties Union, which is suing the government over the no-fly list, the two lists include thousands of names that have been added in error, as well as the names of family members of suspected terrorists."


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
     Thread Starter
 

12/09/2015 1:14 pm  #4


Re: Editorial Should people on the no-fly list be able to buy guns? Yes.

Sorry. I'm not buying it.
And,when was the last time you spoke fondly of the aclu? 🙂


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

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