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"There’s no reason why a law-abiding person should be carrying a gun on the street.”
Ronald Reagan
Guns in Your Face
JUNE 12, 2015
Gail Collins
Life in America requires a lot of advance preparation. For instance, when you’re getting ready for a plane trip you imagine what you’ll do if a problem arises — flight delay, long lines at security. But I bet you haven’t considered the best way to react if the man in front of you on the airport escalator has a gun dangling from his shoulder.
That very thing happened recently in Atlanta, when a Georgia resident named Jim Cooley came strutting through the airport lobby with a loaded assault rifle.
Cooley — who was taping the whole encounter and posted it on YouTube — corrected the police officer who stopped him. (“It’s not an automatic! It’s a semi-automatic!”) Then he declined to respond when she asked if he had a permit. (“Am I being detained? … If you’re detaining me then I’m going to have to file a lawsuit.”) And, in the end, he walked away in triumph.
We’ve moved from the right to bear arms to the right to flaunt arms.
While the airport setting gives the incident a particular flair, this kind of thing has been happening quite a bit. In Michigan, the City of Grand Rapids has been in a legal battle with a man who took umbrage when police stopped him while he was walking down a residential street on a Sunday morning wearing camouflage, with a pistol strapped to his leg and singing “Hakuna Matata” from “The Lion King.”
Very few states have flat-out rules against openly carrying guns in public. It’s just something that never came up. “It’s not a practical thing to do,” said Laura Cutilletta of the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence. But it turns out that anyone with the legal right to carry a concealed weapon — which, in some states, doesn’t even require a permit — generally also has the legal right to walk into a McDonald’s with a gun sticking out of his waistband.
The open display of weaponry freaks out average citizens, especially the ones with children. It outrages police. At one point, even the National Rifle Association said the open carry demonstrations were “downright weird.” But the organization quickly backtracked, apologized, blamed the post on an errant staffer, and averred that “our job is not to criticize the lawful behavior of fellow gun owners.”
You’d think that lawmakers would move quickly to make it illegal, but with a few exceptions, there’s more enabling going on than anything else. After a Kalamazoo man walked into the public library’s summer reading party for children with a 9-millimeter gun strapped to his waist, worried officials asked the State Legislature to add libraries to a very small list of gun-free zones. The Legislature did nothing.
“Look, I got a gun!” yelled a man who walked into a park where kids were playing baseball in — yes! — Georgia. “There’s nothing you can do about it.” The police, who were summoned, determined he was absolutely right.
The Georgia State Legislature passed a law a few years back that made it legal for citizens to take their guns into the airport. At the time, then-Gov. Sonny Perdue was expressing concern about giving his wife the option of toting a pistol when she was “walking from one of those parking lots to pick up a grandchild or something like that.” He did not mention middle-age guys toting semiautomatic assault rifles past the check-in counter. But here we are.
In Texas, where open carry had been banned since the post-Civil War era, protesters staged demonstrations all around the state, toting their guns to family restaurants and storming the State Capitol, where they confronted one unsympathetic lawmaker in his office. In response, the Legislature enabled House members to install panic buttons in their offices, and then legalized open carry for Texans with gun permits.
Some commentators have attributed the whole open-carry phenomenon to white American men trying to work out their insecurities. We’ve got to stop blaming white men for everything. Really, they’ve contributed a lot to the country. Still, you can’t help but notice that there’s a certain demographic consistency to the people who are making a scene over their right to display arms.
It wasn’t always that way. California passed its first ban on open carry in the 1960s in response to the Black Panther Party. “The Legislature was debating an open-carry law when 30 Black Panthers showed up at the Statehouse with their guns,” said Adam Winkler, a professor of law at U.C.L.A. and the author of “Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America.”
“The same day Gov. Ronald Reagan made a speech, saying there’s no reason why a law-abiding person should be carrying a gun on the street.”
Maybe the way to turn this debate around would bring new recruits into the gun rights movement. “If open-carry advocates today were Marxist-leaning black radicals,” said Winkler, “we might have a very different situation.”
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Two accurate cliche's:
1) "An armed society is a polite society".
2) "Not all men were created equal but Colonel Colt levelled the playing field"
Society becomes impolite, stratified, and unequal when only one class or group of elites is permitted to be armed.
In some states and localities, that elite class is a broadly defined "law enforcement" which includes Federal agents of various shapes and sizes.
As gun restrictions are relaxed, another elite class is emerging, as described in the article. They will learn to become more polite as they encounter more polite armed people.
The stratification between the armed and disarmed stretches into antiquity. Consider the elite warrior class of the Roman occupying armies vs. the unarmed masses of first century Palestine. Or consider the feudal knights vs the disarmed peasant serfs.
Neither are patterns that I would want to see replicated in America.
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So, you have no problem with a guy showing up in an airport, or park, with a loaded weapon for the sole purpose of taunting others?
That's an example of a polite armed person?
The historical reference; are you suggesting that people need to walk around armed to protect themselves from the modern day Roman Legions?
Somehow I don't see the 82nd Airborne taking me on at a public library, or a Walmart.
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"An armed society is a polite society".
That sentiment is so far removed from how I view the world I don't know how to respond, so I'll let it go.
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Just Fred wrote:
"An armed society is a polite society".
That sentiment is so far removed from how I view the world I don't know how to respond, so I'll let it go.
There were no curse words uttered at the OK corral?
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Just Fred wrote:
"An armed society is a polite society".
That sentiment is so far removed from how I view the world I don't know how to respond, so I'll let it go.
Yikes ! ! !
That statement infers that the caliphate that ISIS is trying to impose on the Mideast will end up being a utopian society pervasive with the ultimate in mutual decorum among citizens.
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Rongone wrote:
Just Fred wrote:
"An armed society is a polite society".
That sentiment is so far removed from how I view the world I don't know how to respond, so I'll let it go.Yikes ! ! !
That statement infers that the caliphate that ISIS is trying to impose on the Mideast will end up being a utopian society pervasive with the ultimate in mutual decorum among citizens.
Ask those who are disarmed serving their Moslem overlords in dhimmitude about the decorum.
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A deadly weapon is not an accessory.
It is not a fashion statement.
It is not a toy.
It is not a political statement.
It is a deadly weapon.
Any questions?
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Tarnation wrote:
Rongone wrote:
Just Fred wrote:
"An armed society is a polite society".
That sentiment is so far removed from how I view the world I don't know how to respond, so I'll let it go.Yikes ! ! !
That statement infers that the caliphate that ISIS is trying to impose on the Mideast will end up being a utopian society pervasive with the ultimate in mutual decorum among citizens.Ask those who are disarmed serving their Moslem overlords in dhimmitude about the decorum.
First of all, that quote ("An armed society is a polite society") by Robert Heinlein has been totally misconstrued and misused by gun advocates. His writing in Beyond This Horizon that contains this quote has exactly the opposite meaning as ill informed concealed carry zealots would have the masses believe.
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Maybe the "armed society is a polite society" doesn't take into account bozos with concealed weapons?
From today:
A gun accidentally discharged during a wedding at New York's famed Waldorf Astoria Hotel on Saturday, wounding four people, a police source said.
The bullet hit the floor and those wounded were hit by fragments from the round or debris from the strike, the source said.
The incident at the hotel in Midtown Manhattan took place at about 7:30 p.m. ET and is believed to have been an accident. The wounded were taken to hospitals and the injuries are not life-threatening, the source said.
The New York Post reported that the gun belonged to a wedding guest. It went off in the lobby of the hotel, run by Hilton Worldwide Holdings Inc as guests were taking photos.
A male guest was taken to a police station in handcuffs. His right trouser leg had a hole with burned edges as if the cloth had been blasted from inside by a firearm, the newspaper said.
A spokesman for the hotel did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
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