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6/13/2015 5:40 am  #1


Connecticut's strict gun law linked to large homicide drop

Connecticut's strict gun law linked to large homicide drop
By Carina Storrs, Special to CNN


(CNN)The rate of gun-related murders fell sharply in the 10 years after Connecticut implemented a law requiring people buying firearms to have a license, according to a study.

In 1995, a permit-to-purchase handgun law went into effect in Connecticut, stating that people who want to buy a gun must apply for a license (or permit) with the local police, a process that involves a background check, as well as complete at least eight hours of gun safety training. The law also raised the minimum purchasing age from 18 to 21.

To assess the effect of this law, researchers identified states that had levels of gun-related homicide similar to Connecticut before 1995. These include Rhode Island, New Hampshire and Maryland. When the researchers compared these states to Connecticut between 1995 and 2005, they found the level of gun-related homicide in Connecticut dropped below that of comparable states.

Based on the rates in these comparable states, the researchers estimated Connecticut would have had 740 gun murders if the law had not been enacted. Instead, the state had 444, representing a 40% decrease.

"I did expect a reduction [but] 40% is probably a little higher than I would have guessed," said Daniel Webster, director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research who led the study, which was published Friday in the American Journal of Public Health.

"I think we have strong evidence that this is a policy that saves lives, and not a small number of lives," Webster said.

Ten states have laws similar to Connecticut's, including background check requirements. It is hard to know what effect permit-to-purchase laws have without looking in these other states, said John R Lott Jr., president of the Crime Prevention Research Center, a gun rights advocate and columnist for Fox News. "If 10 states passed a law, eight could increase and two could fall, and how do I know that it was because of the gun law?" he said.

Although Webster said he would like to study the effect of gun laws in other states, that research is not practical. Most states passed meaningful gun laws, such as laws requiring background checks, long ago, "frankly before I was born," and it would be hard to know how those laws were enforced back then, and how society responded to them, he explained. In addition, information from death certificates was less readily available from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention before 1980, he said.

Massachusetts passed a gun law more recently, in 1998, and the number of firearm-related homicides reportedly increased after the law. However, this law did not really change how people buy guns in the state because a law requiring background checks had already been in place for decades, Webster said.

The 40% decrease in firearm-related homicide that Webster's study suggested for Connecticut is "pretty substantial and quite impressive," said Brad J. Bushman, professor of communications and psychology at The Ohio State University who studies gun violence in the media and aggressive behavior. Bushman was not involved in the current study, nor has he conducted any research with Webster, although the two serve together on President Obama's committee on gun violence and the National Science Foundation youth violence advisory committee.

Webster and his colleagues took into account other factors that could have contributed to the decline in gun-related homicide, such as changes in population size and shifts in demographics, when they compared the numbers in Connecticut to those in similar states before and after 1995. The fact that they still predicted the drop in firearm homicide in Connecticut at the turn of the 21st century suggests it can't be because of these other factors, Bushman said.

The researchers also looked at rates of nonfirearm homicide and found no difference between Connecticut and other states across the time frame of the study (1985-2005), suggesting the drop in gun-related murders in Connecticut was not simply due to waning murder rates in the state overall.

Webster and his colleagues did not look at rates of gun-related violence in the study because inconsistencies in police reports of violence would make interpretation of the numbers difficult, Webster said.

It is hard to predict whether Connecticut would continue to see lower rates of gun-related homicide beyond 2005, Webster said. He and his colleagues found the numbers did rebound after the period in the study. Although it is not clear why rates of gun death rose in Connecticut starting in 2006, there was also an increase in gun deaths nationwide in that time, Webster said.

In an earlier study, Webster and his colleagues found there was an inverse, although smaller, change in Missouri after the state repealed its 1921 permit-to-purchase law in 2007. They saw a 23% increase in gun-related murders between 2007 and 2010, compared to between 1999 and 2007.

Webster presented the findings of the Connecticut and Missouri studies on June 11 at a press event in Washington held by Faiths United To Prevent Gun Violence, a coalition of faith leaders from across the United States, to support laws like the one in Connecticut. "I'm glad that they are mobilizing to try to enact a policy that will save lives," Webster said.

The U.S. Congress will also introduce a bill that would allow the federal government to give money to states with handgun purchaser licensing laws to help support systems in those states for reviewing applications and issuing permits.

"A lot of the debate around guns has more to do with the culture, do you like or hate guns, and how do you interpret the Second Amendment," Webster said. "What's important here is that a bill is introduced that is based on a foundation of scientific research showing this will save lives."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/12/us/gun-law-homicide-drop/index.html


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6/13/2015 7:45 am  #2


Re: Connecticut's strict gun law linked to large homicide drop

The law did not prevent Sandy Hook.

Neither did the "gun free zone" signs.

Just sayin'.


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6/13/2015 7:55 am  #3


Re: Connecticut's strict gun law linked to large homicide drop

Tarnation wrote:

The law did not prevent Sandy Hook.

Neither did the "gun free zone" signs.

Just sayin'.

Would you dismiss the legislation based upon the fact that one particular crime was not prevented by it?
That's setting the bar pretty high.

Kinda like pointing to one fatal traffic accident and concluding that air bags are worthless.


I think it would be more sound to look at the 40% drop in gun murders that the study showed.
That would be 296 lives saved.
Just sayin'


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6/13/2015 10:20 am  #4


Re: Connecticut's strict gun law linked to large homicide drop

Interesting article discussing the above study:

http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/2015/06/daniel-websters-cherry-picked-claim-that-firearm-homicides-in-connecticut-fell-40-because-of-a-gun-licensing-law/

From the article:As the authors of the study note,  from 1995 to 2005 the firearm homicide rate in Connecticut indeed fell from 3.13 to 1.88 per 100,000 people, representing a 40% drop over a ten-year period (“We estimate that the law was associated with a 40% reduction in Connecticut’s firearm homicide rates during the first 10 years that the law was in place“).  However, unexplained is that the firearms homicide rate was falling even faster immediately prior to the licensing law.  From 1993 to 1995, the Connecticut firearms homicide rate fell from 4.5 to 3.13 per 100,000 residents, which means more than a 30% drop in just two years. This represented a greater decline than the 17% national decline over those two years.  Of course, Rudolph and his co-authors do not address this inconvenient fact (though if one looks at their Figure 1 on page 3 this preceding drop is clearly visible).

Their results are also extremely sensitive to the last year that they pick.  The firearm homicide rate in 2006 was actually back up to 2.62.  Indeed, with the exception of just one year from 2006 to 2010, there is only one year where the ratio of Connecticut’s firearm homicide rate to that for the US as a whole is lower than it was in 1995.

To see another way how sensitive the results are to the dates chosen, while it is true that Connecticut’s firearm homicide rate fell by 40% from 1995 to 2005, it only fell by 12.5% between 1995 and 2010.  Meanwhile from 1995 and 2010, the US firearm homicide rate fell by 39% and the Northeast firearm homicide rate fell by 31%.
 

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6/13/2015 10:25 am  #5


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Brady Bunch wrote:

Their results are also extremely sensitive to the last year that they pick.  The firearm homicide rate in 2006 was actually back up to 2.62.  Indeed, with the exception of just one year from 2006 to 2010, there is only one year where the ratio of Connecticut’s firearm homicide rate to that for the US as a whole is lower than it was in 1995.

To see another way how sensitive the results are to the dates chosen, while it is true that Connecticut’s firearm homicide rate fell by 40% from 1995 to 2005, it only fell by 12.5% between 1995 and 2010.  Meanwhile from 1995 and 2010, the US firearm homicide rate fell by 39% and the Northeast firearm homicide rate fell by 31%.
 

The study didn't look at CT's firearms murder rate as compared to the nation.
And the CPRS is pretty good at cherry-picking what they placed in their article.

To assess the effect of this law, researchers identified states that had levels of gun-related homicide similar to Connecticut before 1995. These include Rhode Island, New Hampshire and Maryland. When the researchers compared these states to Connecticut between 1995 and 2005, they found the level of gun-related homicide in Connecticut dropped below that of comparable states.


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6/13/2015 10:27 am  #6


Re: Connecticut's strict gun law linked to large homicide drop

BTW, Brady, you might want to take a closer look at the "Crime Prevention Research Center", and their mission and bias.


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6/13/2015 10:31 am  #7


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Goose wrote:

BTW, Brady, you might want to take a closer look at the "Crime Prevention Research Center", and their mission and bias.

I am familiar with them and their mission.  Does it make anything they said about the study inaccurate?  It doesn't change the fact that if you just change a few years on either end of the study and the results are completely different and not conclusive, which is important to note

Also, couldn't the same thing be said about Bloomberg and the people who performed the study?  Aren't they advocates for gun control legislation?

 

6/13/2015 10:33 am  #8


Re: Connecticut's strict gun law linked to large homicide drop

The CPRC's mission is to argue against gun laws.
So, you know exacly how they are going to react to any study, anywhere that shows that a law might have a psoitive effect. There is no honest scholarship. Their minds are closed.


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6/13/2015 10:37 am  #9


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Brady Bunch wrote:

Also, couldn't the same thing be said about Bloomberg and the people who performed the study?  Aren't they advocates for gun control legislation?

Did Bloomberg do the study?
I thought it was Johns Hopkins. I wouldn't put them in the same class as the CPRC.
 


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6/13/2015 10:45 am  #10


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Goose wrote:

The CPRC's mission is to argue against gun laws.
So, you know exacly how they are going to react to any study, anywhere that shows that a law might have a psoitive effect. There is no honest scholarship. Their minds are closed.

Understood.  But as they pointed out, homicide rates by guns were falling for several years before the law was even implemented.  And if they had counted stats for several years after 2005, the study would have had a different outcome.

I am merely pointing out that this study was selective in the data it used, presumably to get the outcome they wanted.

 

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