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If they want peace and respect, I think that the police need to acknowledge their own shortcomings and reach out to the community, and I'm not seeing that. It's a two way street.
We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists.
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Here is a thoughtful piece written about the current situation in Baltimore.
"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
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So, the appropriate response to the 1% who are doing a lousy job is to punish the people who are angry about it?
That does not make sense to me. Sorry.
I agree, it's not the right way, but when even the city leadership doesn't have your back, it's the only way. They need more police presence, a lot more, not less. The city leaders could take notes from New York City, especially Rudolph Guiliani's leadership. That guy knew how to lead a large city, a much larger city than Baltimore at that. The police force should be a large city's number one priority.How could they have the Police's back?
Should the officers involved in Gray's death not be held to account?
The officers involved in the Gray case should have a fair trial, like anyone else would in that situation, absolutely.
As far as having the officers' backs, the least the mayor could do is emphasize that the police need to do their job, and this was an unfortunate incident that doesn't occur very often, and encourage Baltimore's citizens to welcome the police into their neighborhoods.
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I don't have a problem with that. I just think that, for the police to repair their image in the community, they need to do some outreach, and some self examination. They have faults like we all do.
I don't see much recognition of that yet.
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If they want peace and respect, I think that the police need to acknowledge their own shortcomings and reach out to the community, and I'm not seeing that. It's a two way street.
I don't see it that way. I see Baltimore police officers involved in one bad incident, and the city turns their back on them. They need to be given more trust than the criminals that they are supposed to police, and they need to be given the benefit of the doubt even when an incident such as the Freddie Gray case occurs until all of the facts are out there and the case is settled.
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I don't have a problem with that. I just think that, for the police to repair their image in the community, they need to do some outreach, and some self examination. They have faults like we all do.
I don't see much recognition of that yet.
I don't disagree with this, but I don't know that the Baltimore police don't already do community outreach? Perhaps they do, and the locals don't care? Maybe the city's leadership should encourage it?
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If they want peace and respect, I think that the police need to acknowledge their own shortcomings and reach out to the community, and I'm not seeing that. It's a two way street.
I don't see it that way. I see Baltimore police officers involved in one bad incident, and the city turns their back on them. They need to be given more trust than the criminals that they are supposed to police, and they need to be given the benefit of the doubt even when an incident such as the Freddie Gray case occurs until all of the facts are out there and the case is settled.
It was pretty egregious. Cuffed, schackled suspect ends up viloently dead after a routine transport. There's only so much benefit of the doubt you can give. And don't forget that it happened in the context of Ferguson, Cleveland, staten island.
There is a segment of our population who doesn't think that the police are protectors. You may think they are wrong. I wonder if they don't have a point.
And, BTW, who is giving the criminals more trust?
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If they want peace and respect, I think that the police need to acknowledge their own shortcomings and reach out to the community, and I'm not seeing that. It's a two way street.
I don't see it that way. I see Baltimore police officers involved in one bad incident, and the city turns their back on them. They need to be given more trust than the criminals that they are supposed to police, and they need to be given the benefit of the doubt even when an incident such as the Freddie Gray case occurs until all of the facts are out there and the case is settled.It was pretty egrigious. Cuffed, schackled suspect ends up viloently dead after a routine transport. There's only so much benefit of the doubt you can give. And don'y forget that it happened in the context of Ferguson, Cleveland, staten island.
There is a segment of our population who doesn't think that the police are protectors. You may think they are wrong. I wonder if they don't have a point.
And, BTW, who is giving the criminals more trust?
You don't have to give them the benefit of the doubt, I just think that the police should be given the benefit of the doubt over a career criminal until all of the facts are out and the case is over. We don't know any details of what happened yet. Only the people in the vehicle know.
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So, you don't think that the police have any obligation for self reflection, or any fault in this at all?
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So, you don't think that the police have any obligation for self reflection, or any fault in this at all?
Self reflection? Absolutely. I'm sure most police officers self reflect a lot. Any fault in the Freddie Gray case? I don't know yet. The officers have been arrested and will get a fair trial, like everyone else would. We'll find out. I'm sure that even if they are proven innocent beyond a shadow of a doubt, Baltimore residents will still riot though.
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