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The Man · 6/02/2015 5:29 pm

Goose wrote:
I think that the police are professionals. And I expect professionals to buckle their chinstraps and get to work whether they are popular at the moment or not.
And, if they are unpopular, who is really to blame but bad cops.
I should think they would focus their anger there.

I wouldn't go into a situation where I'm hated and people want to and/or are trying to murder me. They need to foster a positive attitude and appreciation for the police. They can't have a 'fuck the police' mentality and expect the police to give a crap about them. They're humans too. I wouldn't expect that from anyone.

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Goose · 6/02/2015 5:31 pm

The Man wrote:
Goose wrote:
I think that the police are professionals. And I expect professionals to buckle their chinstraps and get to work whether they are popular at the moment or not.
And, if they are unpopular, who is really to blame but bad cops.
I should think they would focus their anger there.

I wouldn't go into a situation where I'm hated and people want to and/or are trying to murder me. They need to foster a positive attitude and appreciation for the police. They can't have a 'fuck the police' mentality and expect the police to give a crap about them. They're humans too. I wouldn't expect that from anyone.

Why did the Fuck the police mentality get established?

Just Fred · 6/02/2015 5:32 pm

Time out here. Let's rewind the tape. I hear this "99% of the police are good guys" thing over and over and over and over again. I might agree, and let's say that is absolutley correct.

I want to hear from the 99% about what to do about that 1% who are ruining the reputation of the entire force. Unless I missed it somewhere, I haven't heard a peep from the officers who are out there day-in and day-out doing a great job. That 1% is making their job harder and they need to speak up.

The Man · 6/02/2015 5:33 pm

Goose wrote:
The Man wrote:
Goose wrote:
How do you then explain this work slowdown?

They aren't respected or wanted, by the city leadership or by the people who live in the neighborhoods. I wouldn't do a job where I wasn't wanted and respected either.
Why are the police suffering from this lack of respect?

It's been their culture for a long time. There are a lot of criminals in those neighborhoods, and many more family and friends of those criminals. Naturally, criminals don't like or respect police, and now it's been exacerbated by one incident. But, for the city's leadership to have basically the same attitude is unacceptable.

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The Man · 6/02/2015 5:35 pm

Goose wrote:
The Man wrote:
Goose wrote:
I think that the police are professionals. And I expect professionals to buckle their chinstraps and get to work whether they are popular at the moment or not.
And, if they are unpopular, who is really to blame but bad cops.
I should think they would focus their anger there.

I wouldn't go into a situation where I'm hated and people want to and/or are trying to murder me. They need to foster a positive attitude and appreciation for the police. They can't have a 'fuck the police' mentality and expect the police to give a crap about them. They're humans too. I wouldn't expect that from anyone.
Why did the Fuck the police mentality get established?

Because criminals don't like police.

The Man · 6/02/2015 5:38 pm

Just Fred wrote:
Time out here. Let's rewind the tape. I hear this "99% of the police are good guys" thing over and over and over and over again. I might agree, and let's say that is absolutley correct.

I want to hear from the 99% about what to do about that 1% who are ruining the reputation of the entire force. Unless I missed it somewhere, I haven't heard a peep from the officers who are out there day-in and day-out doing a great job. That 1% is making their job harder and they need to speak up.

I think they have spoken up. They stay away from those neighborhoods, crime skyrockets, highlighting the good job that they were doing.

Goose · 6/02/2015 5:54 pm

The Man wrote:
Goose wrote:
The Man wrote:

I wouldn't go into a situation where I'm hated and people want to and/or are trying to murder me. They need to foster a positive attitude and appreciation for the police. They can't have a 'fuck the police' mentality and expect the police to give a crap about them. They're humans too. I wouldn't expect that from anyone.
Why did the Fuck the police mentality get established?

Because criminals don't like police.

It's not the criminals' opinions I'm concerned about. My esteem of the police has fallen lately, and am am certainly no criminal.
When presented with DOJ reports about Ferguson's police force, Cleveland's, Chicago's and NYC's, and the senseless death in Baltimore, the opinions of average people are effected. So, I ask you, what is the appropriate response, to clean up these problems so that you re-establish trust with the community, or to conduct a work stoppage to punish those who do question you?

Goose · 6/02/2015 5:56 pm

The Man wrote:
Just Fred wrote:
Time out here. Let's rewind the tape. I hear this "99% of the police are good guys" thing over and over and over and over again. I might agree, and let's say that is absolutley correct.

I want to hear from the 99% about what to do about that 1% who are ruining the reputation of the entire force. Unless I missed it somewhere, I haven't heard a peep from the officers who are out there day-in and day-out doing a great job. That 1% is making their job harder and they need to speak up.

I think they have spoken up. They stay away from those neighborhoods, crime skyrockets, highlighting the good job that they were doing.

So, the appropriate response to the 1% who are doing a lousy job is to punish the people who are angry about it?
That does not make sense to me. Sorry.

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The Man · 6/02/2015 6:05 pm

Goose wrote:
The Man wrote:
Just Fred wrote:
Time out here. Let's rewind the tape. I hear this "99% of the police are good guys" thing over and over and over and over again. I might agree, and let's say that is absolutley correct.

I want to hear from the 99% about what to do about that 1% who are ruining the reputation of the entire force. Unless I missed it somewhere, I haven't heard a peep from the officers who are out there day-in and day-out doing a great job. That 1% is making their job harder and they need to speak up.

I think they have spoken up. They stay away from those neighborhoods, crime skyrockets, highlighting the good job that they were doing.
So, the appropriate response to the 1% who are doing a lousy job is to punish the people who are angry about it?
That does not make sense to me. Sorry.

I agree, it's not the right way, but when even the city leadership doesn't have your back, it's the only way. They need more police presence, a lot more, not less. The city leaders could take notes from New York City, especially Rudolph Guiliani's leadership. That guy knew how to lead a large city, a much larger city than Baltimore at that. The police force should be a large city's number one priority.

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Goose · 6/02/2015 6:08 pm

The Man wrote:
Goose wrote:
The Man wrote:

I think they have spoken up. They stay away from those neighborhoods, crime skyrockets, highlighting the good job that they were doing.
So, the appropriate response to the 1% who are doing a lousy job is to punish the people who are angry about it?
That does not make sense to me. Sorry.

I agree, it's not the right way, but when even the city leadership doesn't have your back, it's the only way. They need more police presence, a lot more, not less. The city leaders could take notes from New York City, especially Rudolph Guiliani's leadership. That guy knew how to lead a large city, a much larger city than Baltimore at that. The police force should be a large city's number one priority.

How could they have the Police's back?
Should the officers involved in Gray's death not be held to account?