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5/05/2015 7:54 am  #1


Confirmed – Freddie Gray’s Knife WAS Illegal

Confirmed – Freddie Gray’s Knife WAS Illegal

http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/05/confirmed-freddie-grays-knife-was-illegal/#more-126044


From the article:

Mosby Statement Reflects Jurisdictional Sloppiness 

As we noted in our Friday post on Mosby’s statement, it also reflects remarkable jurisdictional sloppiness, especially coming from a state prosecutor who works primarily in the relevant subsidiary jurisdiction of that state.  As reported by the New York Times, Mosby is quoted as explicitly stating that:
[quote888]The knife was not a switchblade and is lawful under Maryland law. (emphasis added)

Maryland law, however, is utterly irrelevant to Gray’s arrest, because he was not arrested for a violation of Maryland law.  Rather he was arrested for a violation of the City Code of Baltimore.The City of Baltimore has adopted as an ordinance its City Code §59-22, which states in relevant part:
[quote888]Switch-blade knives. (a) Possession or sale, etc., prohibited. It shall be unlawful for any person to sell, carry, or possess any knife with an automatic spring. (emphasis added)

The description of the charge brought against Gray explicitly provides that he
[quote888]did unlawfully carry, possess and sell a knife commonly known as a switch blade knife, with an automatic spring or other device for opening and/or closing the blade within the limits of Baltimore City. (emphasis added)
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Last edited by Common Sense (5/05/2015 7:56 am)


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5/05/2015 7:57 am  #2


Re: Confirmed – Freddie Gray’s Knife WAS Illegal

I tried several times to remove the quote888 but could not do it? Sorry for the mess!

Last edited by Common Sense (5/05/2015 8:07 am)


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5/05/2015 8:05 am  #3


Re: Confirmed – Freddie Gray’s Knife WAS Illegal

Common Sense wrote:

I tried several time to remove the quote888 but could not do it? Sorry for the mess!

 

No problem. The interwebs are a strange thing.


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5/05/2015 8:08 am  #4


Re: Confirmed – Freddie Gray’s Knife WAS Illegal

Common Sense wrote:

Confirmed – Freddie Gray’s Knife WAS Illegal

http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/05/confirmed-freddie-grays-knife-was-illegal/#more-126044


From the article:

Mosby Statement Reflects Jurisdictional Sloppiness 

As we noted in our Friday post on Mosby’s statement, it also reflects remarkable jurisdictional sloppiness, especially coming from a state prosecutor who works primarily in the relevant subsidiary jurisdiction of that state.  As reported by the New York Times, Mosby is quoted as explicitly stating that:
[quote888]The knife was not a switchblade and is lawful under Maryland law. (emphasis added)

Maryland law, however, is utterly irrelevant to Gray’s arrest, because he was not arrested for a violation of Maryland law.  Rather he was arrested for a violation of the City Code of Baltimore.The City of Baltimore has adopted as an ordinance its City Code §59-22, which states in relevant part:
[quote888]Switch-blade knives. (a) Possession or sale, etc., prohibited. It shall be unlawful for any person to sell, carry, or possess any knife with an automatic spring. (emphasis added)

The description of the charge brought against Gray explicitly provides that he
[quote888]did unlawfully carry, possess and sell a knife commonly known as a switch blade knife, with an automatic spring or other device for opening and/or closing the blade within the limits of Baltimore City. (emphasis added)
 [/quote888]
[/quote888]
[/quote888][/quote888]
[/quote888]
[/quote888]

 

Interesting info. I am not sure how significant it is, because no one saw the knfe before Gray was pursued and apprehended. (According to what I have read, in any event).
Perhaps it will have some relevance to the false imprisonment charge?

As for his treatment after arrest, obviously that is another issue.


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5/05/2015 8:10 am  #5


Re: Confirmed – Freddie Gray’s Knife WAS Illegal

If this is indeed the situation, I am sure it will be brought out at the trials. 

And, if this is true, it bodes not well for the prosecution. Again, if it is truly the facts, it is rather sad that the State's attorney and her staff did not know this. 

Like I said, I believe a LOT will come out at the trial from BOTH perspectives on this that we have here to fore not had the privilege of hearing. 


 


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5/05/2015 8:13 am  #6


Re: Confirmed – Freddie Gray’s Knife WAS Illegal

"While Mosby said Friday that the officers had made an illegal arrest because a knife Gray was carrying was not a "switchblade," a violation of state law, the police task force studied the knife and determined it was "spring-assisted," which does violate a Baltimore code."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-incident-penn-north-20150504-story.html#page=1


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5/05/2015 8:14 am  #7


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Not sure how the illegal knife should end up resulting in the guys' death. Additionally, why did the police chase him down in the first place and how did him having the knife and the resulting arrest abdicate the officers for not following procedure and buckling him in the van?

The knife seems like a fairly minor detail in all of this, but I'll wait for further details.


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5/05/2015 8:25 am  #8


Re: Confirmed – Freddie Gray’s Knife WAS Illegal

You have the States Attorney come out and make a statement
With “facts” that are not correct! This is sloppy at best and will
play into the rush of judgement argument. I think the early
announcement possibility avoided big trouble over the weekend
but I think the bar was set high and I am not sure the States attorney
 will be able to reach that level.
 
My prediction is that there is no way they are going to get a 2nd degree
murder conviction.

Lager you are correct there is still the issue of a guy arrested and then dies
in custody!  
 
The who, what, when and where questions will be answered in the trial.
 
You have to hope the rest of the case is handled better.
 


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5/05/2015 8:27 am  #9


Re: Confirmed – Freddie Gray’s Knife WAS Illegal

Good questions.
I think that over the next few months that the defense will discover and leak unflattering info about Mr. Gray.
But, much, if not all of it, is not relevant.

Fine, Gray was a petty criminal.
But, Gray was not killed in some split second decision situation where the lives of officers was at stake.
He was subdued. And he should not have been mortally injured in a routine transport.

Last edited by Goose (5/05/2015 8:28 am)


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5/05/2015 8:53 pm  #10


Re: Confirmed – Freddie Gray’s Knife WAS Illegal

The prosecutor's premise is that Gray's arrest was illegal because he was not carrying a prohibited weapon.

That premise has now been proven false.

The other issues--chief among them the failure to protect a person in custody--still remain.


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