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5/03/2015 4:30 pm  #11


Re: Baltimore Sergeant Warns Superiors:

Common Sense wrote:

My observation on the Baltimore riot is it’s not so much a racial issue but a police officer/law enforcement vs citizen issue?
 
The officers charged are 3 white males and 2 black males and 1 black female. The most serious charge,  2nd degree murder charge is against a black male officer.
 
The Baltimore city police is about 44% black. The mayor is black, black city council members, police chief is black and States attorney is black. Is this a racial issue or a law enforcement vs citizen issue?
 

 
One thing that I find disturbing in this, is that if it were all white officers arrested, the color of the officers would be front and center all over the news.  But, since the charged officers are half black, half white, including the most serious charge being against a black officer, you hear almost no mention of the officers' race in the news.  Why is that?

 

5/03/2015 5:14 pm  #12


Re: Baltimore Sergeant Warns Superiors:

The Man wrote:

Common Sense wrote:

My observation on the Baltimore riot is it’s not so much a racial issue but a police officer/law enforcement vs citizen issue?
 
The officers charged are 3 white males and 2 black males and 1 black female. The most serious charge,  2nd degree murder charge is against a black male officer.
 
The Baltimore city police is about 44% black. The mayor is black, black city council members, police chief is black and States attorney is black. Is this a racial issue or a law enforcement vs citizen issue?
 

 
One thing that I find disturbing in this, is that if it were all white officers arrested, the color of the officers would be front and center all over the news. But, since the charged officers are half black, half white, including the most serious charge being against a black officer, you hear almost no mention of the officers' race in the news. Why is that?

I hear you Man. But that does not fit the narrative that is being pushed now.
 


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5/03/2015 5:23 pm  #13


Re: Baltimore Sergeant Warns Superiors:

Just Fred wrote:

You wouldn't add, The death in custody of a young black man under mysterious circumstances who really shouldn't have been arrested in the first place?  -  Goose

This is a very important point, and it should be the point for right now.

As far as the 'breakdown' of the family and the 'failure in the education system', you would have to flesh that out with some specific solutions for me.  Not arguing with you, Common, or saying you are wrong, just asking for clarification and solutions to what you perceive as roots of the problem that put the Baltimore police department in this pickle.

They have been charged in record time! The next court date is the end May.
 
If you don’t think it’s the breakdown of the family or a bad education system what do you think the problems are?
 
 
Fred is a two parent family more stable than a one parent or no parent family?
Boys growing up need a Dad to teach them and mentor them. That is just one basic thing
With the family.
 
Education…. If a kid cannot read and write they are doomed to fail and end up on the street selling drugs and getting chased by the Baltimore police!

 


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5/03/2015 5:53 pm  #14


Re: Baltimore Sergeant Warns Superiors:

In Baltimore City, the four-year graduation rate for the class of 2013 was 68.5 percent, a large step up from the 61.5 percent four-year graduation rate for the class of 2010.
 
http://www.baltimoremagazine.net/2014/1/29/baltimore-city-and-county-graduation-rates-improve
 
 
Seventy-two percent of black babies are born to unmarried mothers today, according to government statistics.
 
http://www.chron.com/life/mom-houston/article/72-of-black-babies-born-to-unwed-moms-data-1709669.php
 
 
 


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5/03/2015 5:57 pm  #15


Re: Baltimore Sergeant Warns Superiors:

Mayor Rawlings-Blake @MayorSRB  ·  8h 8 hours ago

Effective immediately, I have rescinded my order instituting a city-wide curfew. I want to thank the people of Baltimore for their patience.2,135 retweets 833 favorites         

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5/03/2015 6:24 pm  #16


Re: Baltimore Sergeant Warns Superiors:

Common Sense wrote:

Mayor Rawlings-Blake @MayorSRB  ·  8h 8 hours ago

Effective immediately, I have rescinded my order instituting a city-wide curfew. I want to thank the people of Baltimore for their patience.2,135 retweets 833 favorites         

How does this relate to the topic of the thread? I don't see it
 


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5/03/2015 8:28 pm  #17


Re: Baltimore Sergeant Warns Superiors:

Fred is a two parent family more stable than a one parent or no parent family?
Boys growing up need a Dad to teach them and mentor them. That is just one basic thing
With the family.
 
Education…. If a kid cannot read and write they are doomed to fail and end up on the street selling drugs and getting chased by the Baltimore police!


I'm still not connecting the dots between this and the police taking into custody a guy who didn't commit a crime and while in custody, the guy suffers a broken neck and dies.

Your assumption that if a kid can't read or write he'll end up on the streets selling drugs is a bit 'out there' for me.

As far as family stability, I've seen young people of all kinds, and it seems to boil down to a kid needing people to love them. 

Are you saying if everybody was raised in a two-parent household and learned to read and write in school,  police brutality would end in Baltimore?  Do you see any flaws within the Baltimore PD that need to be addressed?


 

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5/03/2015 8:45 pm  #18


Re: Baltimore Sergeant Warns Superiors:

Just Fred wrote:

Fred is a two parent family more stable than a one parent or no parent family?
Boys growing up need a Dad to teach them and mentor them. That is just one basic thing
With the family.
 
Education…. If a kid cannot read and write they are doomed to fail and end up on the street selling drugs and getting chased by the Baltimore police!


I'm still not connecting the dots between this and the police taking into custody a guy who didn't commit a crime and while in custody, the guy suffers a broken neck and dies.

Your assumption that if a kid can't read or write he'll end up on the streets selling drugs is a bit 'out there' for me.

As far as family stability, I've seen young people of all kinds, and it seems to boil down to a kid needing people to love them. 

Are you saying if everybody was raised in a two-parent household and learned to read and write in school,  police brutality would end in Baltimore?  Do you see any flaws within the Baltimore PD that need to be addressed?


 

I am not sure that is what CS was getting at (he can address that),  but it does raise a BIG problem that needs to be addressed and is perhaps the issue of our time. I read the following the other day. I agree with a lot of what it states and it paints a vivid picture of how parts of Baltimore have changed for a lot in the black communities there. 

"Lord of the Flies" comes to Baltimore 
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/02/us/lord-of-the-flies-baltimore/index.html

(It unfortunately is a story that coiuld be written about many urban transitions) 


 


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5/04/2015 6:52 am  #19


Re: Baltimore Sergeant Warns Superiors:

Common Sense wrote:

Just Fred wrote:

You wouldn't add, The death in custody of a young black man under mysterious circumstances who really shouldn't have been arrested in the first place?  -  Goose

This is a very important point, and it should be the point for right now.

As far as the 'breakdown' of the family and the 'failure in the education system', you would have to flesh that out with some specific solutions for me.  Not arguing with you, Common, or saying you are wrong, just asking for clarification and solutions to what you perceive as roots of the problem that put the Baltimore police department in this pickle.

They have been charged in record time! The next court date is the end May.
 
If you don’t think it’s the breakdown of the family or a bad education system what do you think the problems are?
 
 
Fred is a two parent family more stable than a one parent or no parent family?
Boys growing up need a Dad to teach them and mentor them. That is just one basic thing
With the family.
 
Education…. If a kid cannot read and write they are doomed to fail and end up on the street selling drugs and getting chased by the Baltimore police!

 

 
So, a poor young man is mortally injured while in the custody of police.

Riots ensue.

Then the officers involved are charged with a crime, showing that the legal process is going to attempt to hold someone in the police accountable.

Riots immediately subside and the curfew is lifted.

And the conclusion we are to reach is that riots are caused by "the breakdown of the family"

Seriously?


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5/04/2015 7:09 am  #20


Re: Baltimore Sergeant Warns Superiors:

The Man wrote:

Common Sense wrote:

My observation on the Baltimore riot is it’s not so much a racial issue but a police officer/law enforcement vs citizen issue?
 
The officers charged are 3 white males and 2 black males and 1 black female. The most serious charge,  2nd degree murder charge is against a black male officer.
 
The Baltimore city police is about 44% black. The mayor is black, black city council members, police chief is black and States attorney is black. Is this a racial issue or a law enforcement vs citizen issue?
 

 
One thing that I find disturbing in this, is that if it were all white officers arrested, the color of the officers would be front and center all over the news.  But, since the charged officers are half black, half white, including the most serious charge being against a black officer, you hear almost no mention of the officers' race in the news.  Why is that?

 
I read about the race of the officers in the media. Apparently so have you  and commonsense.
It's widely known. How does this qualify as "almost no mention."
What sort of "mention" were you hoping for?


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