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5/04/2017 2:48 pm  #1


On Politics

Some observations

I went home to north-central Pennsylvania for Easter to see my family. Lock Haven is prototypical Trump country. Rural, working class, nearly entirely white, and in economic decline since Piper Aircraft took it's high paying manufacturing jobs to Florida in the 1970s.

At a gathering with my extended family politics came up, as it always does. My cousins were all enthusiastic Trumpers. I decided to listen more than talk. Their support was voiced nearly exclusively in personal terms. "Trump is strong, speaks forcefully, is a refreshing change, really shakes things up, puts those elites in their place".

There really was no mention of policy details, and only a rudimentary interest in facts. I asked about the deficit and was told that cutting "foreign aid" would address it, but that no one should touch SS or Medicare.

At one point I did gently suggest that Trump's Tweets were often unbecoming the office, and more importantly, not particularly helpful to advancing an agenda. A cousin replied, "I love his tweets. I hope he keeps it up. It drives liberals crazy". There was a general consensus in the room that the more outrageous the better.

I let that sink in. Then I looked at my Facebook page, which is dominated by liberals. Many of my friends are fond of posting what I would call "Liberal Clickbait" (I'm sure it comes in a conservative flavor too).
These are little video clips of a liberal politician or pundit ranting, and are entitled with things like, "Soandso Destroys Trump", or Soandso Shreds Ryan". They are highly personal, and devoid of policy detail.

Turn your attention to the cable shows, and notice that when Maddow or Hannity have a guest from the other team on the show they don't seek to interview. They seek to destroy.

We rarely utter a detailed  assertive argument  for something.
But, being  against  someone? That we can do.

These observations have lead me to an epiphany. Politics has changed. Yea, we still use language like big government or limited government, but we no longer think about what the terms mean.

Politics today is attitudinal, not ideological.

The reason to be for someone is that you do not like who is against them. What matters more than policy is your side’s winning, and what matters more than your side’s winning is the other side’s losing.


So, it really doesn't matter what Trump does in office. What is important is that he Drives liberals crazy. In other words, it matters that he insults, angers and defeats the people his people don't like.

Look at Trump's Executive Orders on Coal and the environment. They won't bring coal mining jobs back for the little guy. They will just make it easier for industry to dirty the air his son breathes, and the water his daughter drinks.
But, that's not important.

The EO's are the symbolic equivalent of giving the finger to the people his people don't like.
And that is what matters.
 

Last edited by Goose (5/04/2017 3:14 pm)


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

5/04/2017 3:26 pm  #2


Re: On Politics

a.k.a.  "The Hatfields and The McCoys" 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

5/04/2017 3:30 pm  #3


Re: On Politics

Goose wrote:

Some observations


So, it really doesn't matter what Trump does in office. What is important is that he Drives liberals crazy. In other words, it matters that he insults, angers and defeats the people his people don't like.


 

Typical of the far right (and far left) and their ardent fans. 
 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

5/04/2017 3:38 pm  #4


Re: On Politics

tennyson wrote:

a.k.a.  "The Hatfields and The McCoys" 

Darn it, Tennyson!
You have taken my ponderous essay and very nicely summarized it in a mere five words!
Well, brevity is the soul of wit. 


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
     Thread Starter
 

5/05/2017 6:14 am  #5


Re: On Politics

The key question: Is Trump’s ability to give voice to the anger and resentment of his constituents adequate to offset his broken promises and the failure to improve the lives of those who voted for him?
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I believe that Trump will continue to have the freedom to flip flop on policy issues, and even to betray the economic interests of his fans.
Their animosity toward the left, and the left’s animosity toward them, is entrenched.

I think that Trump can feel free to continue to further the interests of the 0.1%,,,, so long as he also continues to connect with his lower income base on an emotional level with the message: "I Am the Enemy of Your Enemies".



 

Last edited by Goose (5/05/2017 6:27 am)


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
     Thread Starter
 

5/05/2017 7:06 am  #6


Re: On Politics

All you really have to do to verify your theory is visit and post on some hard right or hard left site and post something that rattles their little "bubblespheres" and watch the vitriol that spews back. It is an exercise in understanding how divided we are as a Nation and how little people really understand (or even care) what is being foisted on them. 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

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