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I am concerned that all the high fives about her from the right seem to play into the narrative of "what we need in this situation is more force".
I believe the high fives as you call them are the feeling that what we need is more active parenting involvement. This may not have been your choice of action in the situation, but there is no getting away from the fact she DID totally care about her child and her actions showed it big time.
No, I was refering to people like Ben Carson, and Bill O'Reilly who are using this woman as a prop.
We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists.
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Just Fred wrote:After reading through this thread, I just have one thing to say, and I direct it to The Man:
Always challenge authority. It's healthy in a free society to do that.
Weren't the rioters doing that ? - Tennyson
Yes, but perhaps some were acting unlawfully, it is true. Interesting that up to 10,000 protested and marched peacefully, but that doesn't make for juicy news coverage.
Anyway, the statement I made was more of a general observation involving anyone associated with the executive branch of operations within governing at all levels. The duty of the executive branch is to enforce laws and begins with the president on down to those charged with policing in the trenches. I think it is healthy to challenge authoritarian figures to make them justify their actions. Maybe I took the thread off topic, but Man's statement about trusting authority (police, in this case) triggered something in my dome.[/quote888]
There was no "perhaps" about some of the peoples actions.
As far as the burning and looting of a city getting a lot of attention .... yeah, I think so.
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Perhaps the only way that some can get a lot of attention?
Over the past four years, more than 100 people have won court judgments or settlements related to allegations of brutality and civil rights violations by the BPD. That should have gotten a lot of attention.
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Perhaps the only way that some can get a lot of attention?
The attention garnered by the burning, looting, and rioting will not help at all. It will actually set back the cause.
"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
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Perhaps the only way that some can get a lot of attention?
The attention garnered by the burning, looting, and rioting will not help at all. It will actually set back the cause.
Quite true.
In case there is any misunderstanding let me state quite clearly, I do not think that riots are a good thing. They lead to yet more tragedy and suffering. Riots are counter-productive, often alienating people who otherwise might be allies.
Riots are desperate acts by people who are enraged. They are not a viable strategy.
My point is this. There seem to be some in the media who would have you believe that these riots are caused by absent fathers, or not enough "hero moms",,, anything, it seems that might detract from any culpability that police or elected officials might otherwise get tagged with. I don't think that is right.
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The attention garnered by the burning, looting, and rioting will not help at all. It will actually set back the cause. - Tennyson
You mean stuff like the Boston Tea Party? Perhaps the instigators of the American Revolution should have marched peacefully through the streets of Boston to get attention.
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The attention garnered by the burning, looting, and rioting will not help at all. It will actually set back the cause. - Tennyson
You mean stuff like the Boston Tea Party? Perhaps the instigators of the American Revolution should have marched peacefully through the streets of Boston to get attention.
No, I mean in the sense Goose related in the post before.
Maybe the burning and looting and rioting will make a positive impact on instigating change, but I don't think so.
Have you in your dealings with any associates found that any major proportion of them support the actions taken in terms of getting something done. If so, you are talking to a quite different set of indivuduals than I am encountering.
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I understand what you are saying, Tennyson. I guess my concern is that once things calm down and a semblence of 'peace' is restored, it might only be temporary if the concerns of those most affected aren't heard. Restoring peace involves more than simply sending in the troops to squash the opposition, a riot, or protest.
The people of Baltimore need to feel they are an important part of the decision-making process if the peace is going to be long-term and fair.
On that, I'm sure we have complete agreement.
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Baltimore police commissioner: 'Take control of your kids'
So a Mom does just that and now it's a right wing/Koch brothers plot because O’Reilly and Carson said that is a good thing!
People both left and right have congratulated Mom for her actions!
“We hold these truths to be self-evident,” former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”
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Baltimore police commissioner: 'Take control of your kids'
So a Mom does just that and now it's a right wing/Koch brothers plot because O’Reilly and Carson said that is a good thing!
People both left and right have congratulated Mom for her actions!
Who said there was a plot?
Please don't put words in other peoples' mouths.
We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists.