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Trump "Nobody knew Health Care could be so complicated"
As a friend of mine used to say "No S---T, Dick Tracy" !
While stumping to get votes, Trump said it would be easy, so easy.
If there's one thing almost everybody across the political spectrum knows about health-care reform, it's that it's really hard. People who study the issue closely know it. People who don't follow the issue know. (That's why lots of smart people don't follow the issue closely -- it's really hard!) But there is apparently a category of people who did not realize until very recently that the issue is hard, and that category consists of Donald J. Trump, who told reporters today, "It's an unbelievably complex subject. Nobody knew health care could be so complicated."
Health-care reform is extremely complicated even under the best of circumstances. But when you combine the inherent complexities of the subject with the ideological rigidities of the conservative movement, the problem goes from hard to prohibitively impossible. Providing access to medical care to the tens of millions of Americans who can't afford it on their own, because they're too poor or too sick, is arithmetically futile if you're bound by a dogma that opposes redistribution from the rich and healthy to the poor and sick.
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Re: Trump "Nobody knew Health Care could be so complicated"
Actually, Donald, we knew!
Yes, if the problems that we face were easy to solve, someone would have solved them long ago.
Well, GOP, you have the ball. Let's see what you can do.
Thankfully you've got this awesome guy leading you!
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Re: Trump "Nobody knew Health Care could be so complicated"
This is Trump's way of saying that Congress is only going to be able to make minor tweaks to the ACA instead of the full "Repeal and Replace" promise the GOP has been making for six years.
Which isn't all bad. Minor changes is something the law needs.
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Re: Trump "Nobody knew Health Care could be so complicated"
TheLagerLad wrote:
This is Trump's way of saying that Congress is only going to be able to make minor tweaks to the ACA instead of the full "Repeal and Replace" promise the GOP has been making for six years.
Which isn't all bad. Minor changes is something the law needs.
Trump vs Trump's mouth !
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Re: Trump "Nobody knew Health Care could be so complicated"
This is Trump's way of saying that Congress is only going to be able to make minor tweaks to the ACA instead of the full "Repeal and Replace" promise the GOP has been making for six years.
Which isn't all bad. Minor changes is something the law needs.Trump vs Trump's mouth !
I guess that we should be happy that our little orange man has learned something
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Re: Trump "Nobody knew Health Care could be so complicated"
I agree with Lager on this one. A few tweaks here and there and it will be labeled Trumpcare. Everybody will cheer, even those that liked the ACA, but didn't want Obamacare. 
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Yea, they will keep the clause to insure those with pre-existing conditions, remove the mandate to buy insurance and make the thing less economically viable than it was in the first place.
No big deal
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Unfortutely (or fortunately depending upon your perspective) UNLESS they actually totally repeal it, it will forever be called Obamacare !
(IF the GOP was smart they should have labeled it Romneycare right from the start 
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Why do we continually try to complicate this situation? Again there are plenty of developed countries around the world that have established not for profit, universal health care systems that benefit their citizens, and provide more than adequate coverage to ensure a healthy population. Many of these systems have been in effect and operating efficiently, with periodic tweaks, for decades. Why don't we take a clue from these programs to establish ours.
For crying out loud, I don't care if the bozos in Washington, D.C. steal the whole package from Canada and rename it the glorious federal legislative health plan. Just do your jobs! You work for the people, not your party!
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Yea, they will keep the clause to insure those with pre-existing conditions, remove the mandate to buy insurance and make the thing less economically viable than it was in the first place.
No big deal
I'll have to look up the exact article I read, but the GOP has a tricky way to get rid of the mandate without getting rid of the mandate.
Essentially, what they'll do is remove the mandate from the law, but increase the amount of subsidy that goes directly to the insurance companies. Therefore the insurance companies can remain viable within the ACA (maybe) while the GOP can scream "FREEDOM" from people being penalized for not buying insurance.
A couple of other thoughts around wherever this thing ends up....
--- Whatever Trump and the Republicans end up with, there will be winners and losers. Just as there were winners and losers during the initial roll out of the ACA. What side of the divide people end up on won't be known until a final product is delivered.
--- Numbers don't lie. If Paul Ryan is right in saying that the cost of health care hasn't gone down post ACA and that's the reason insurance companies are bailing leading to a "death spiral", then Ryan needs to show the numbers that will flip the switch as it were and lower health care costs, which will drive down insurance premiums, which will get more insurers on board, which will increase competition, which will drive down prices even further.
My guess is that he hasn't been able to do that yet in a way that is either economically or politically viable.
I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump