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2/17/2017 10:56 am  #41


Re: So what is Extreme Vetting anyway

"We see corruption of the government by elitists and globalists that are trying to enslave the working class.".   Tim

Jeez Tim, you've been watching waaaaay too many Alex Jones videos and buying into the alt-right propaganda machine of infowars, Breitbart, and modern survival blog.

We had better get ready for the revolution. It'll be like 1917 in Russia all over again.


"How about if you let Ron ask his own question".   Tim

I already did and I'm still waiting for an answer from you Tim.

 

2/17/2017 11:01 am  #42


Re: So what is Extreme Vetting anyway

Tim15856 wrote:

Goose wrote:

Tim15856 wrote:

So what do you call that remark? A lie or an exaggeration? Maybe you can direct me to a reliable source that says Trump wanted to get rid of ALL Muslims. 

How about you answer Ron's question instead of trying to change the subject

How about if you let Ron ask his own question since you are unable to answer mine.

He already did, Timmy, and you have been hiding from it for three days.
Be a man. Participte in a discussion.
 

Last edited by Goose (2/17/2017 11:04 am)


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

2/17/2017 11:58 am  #43


Re: So what is Extreme Vetting anyway

Tim, if you haven't already, read through the 14 characteristics of fascism.  If you already did, read through it again.  Be honest, do you see any parallels with what's been happening here with this administration?

 

2/17/2017 12:42 pm  #44


Re: So what is Extreme Vetting anyway

Just Fred wrote:

Tim, if you haven't already, read through the 14 characteristics of fascism.  If you already did, read through it again.  Be honest, do you see any parallels with what's been happening here with this administration?

It is impossible to reason with someone that looks at lies and calls it something else. My suggestion is stop trying. The people who like Trump are looking for a saviour, but it is interesting that on one hand they disregard his lying yet think that all his promises to help them will magically come true. I wonder when they don't happen if they will say it was just an "exaggeration" ? 

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2/17/2017 1:41 pm  #45


Re: So what is Extreme Vetting anyway

tennyson wrote:

Just Fred wrote:

Tim, if you haven't already, read through the 14 characteristics of fascism.  If you already did, read through it again.  Be honest, do you see any parallels with what's been happening here with this administration?

It is impossible to reason with someone that looks at lies and calls it something else. My suggestion is stop trying. The people who like Trump are looking for a saviour, but it is interesting that on one hand they disregard his lying yet think that all his promises to help them will magically come true. I wonder when they don't happen if they will say it was just an "exaggeration" ? 

This is an interesting point.
In supporting a serial,,,,,um, exaggerator,,,,,, one runs the risk that the wonderful things he promises to his fans are just as much  "exaggerations" as are the imaginary illegal voting crisis, the murder rate,,,,etc.
I wonder if the average Trumper is smart enough to consider that.
 

Last edited by Goose (2/17/2017 2:03 pm)


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

2/20/2017 5:40 pm  #46


Re: So what is Extreme Vetting anyway

Rongone wrote:

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"How about if you let Ron ask his own question". Tim

I already did and I'm still waiting for an answer from you Tim.

OK, you said something about a school test grade. When using precise numbers, no that would not be an exaggeration. So?

 

2/20/2017 5:53 pm  #47


Re: So what is Extreme Vetting anyway

Tim15856 wrote:

Rongone wrote:

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"How about if you let Ron ask his own question". Tim

I already did and I'm still waiting for an answer from you Tim.

OK, you said something about a school test grade. When using precise numbers, no that would not be an exaggeration. So?

 


I'll try again. Read these, comprehend the questions, and then do your best to provide a reasonable answer to the questions without obsfucation, deflection, or attacking the questioner.

1) So, enlighten me Tim as to exactly what 'extreme vetting' entails. What questions, sources, interview methods, U.S. Embassy/consulate procedures should be changed to ensure 100% compliance with 'I love America' will be the only foreigners that will be granted visas?



2) So, you agree that a person that substitutes excuses for facts in the case of falsifying facts (actual numbers vs. made up numbers) is not exaggerating, but is really lying. Right?

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2/20/2017 5:59 pm  #48


Re: So what is Extreme Vetting anyway

Just Fred wrote:

Tim, if you haven't already, read through the 14 characteristics of fascism.  If you already did, read through it again.  Be honest, do you see any parallels with what's been happening here with this administration?

Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
You might see patriotism as nationalism, I see nothing wrong with making deal that are more fair for this country.

Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Trump did say he was OK with torture, but after his pick for defense chief said he was against torture, Trump said he was fine with that.
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
Democrats claim Trump is scapegoating illegals and Muslims. It is a fact that policies that ship jobs overseas while bringing in millions of people cause a surplus of labor which depresses wages. Outrage over a temporary ban on 15% of Muslims coming into this country is overblown.

Obsession with National Security
Again with the Muslims, Europe is seeing an increase in Islamic attacks, no one is calling for any actions on the greater Muslim community. It's only prudent to take greater caution in a dangerous world.

When I review the entire 14 characteristics, I see far more that could be applied to Obama.
 

 

2/20/2017 6:04 pm  #49


Re: So what is Extreme Vetting anyway

Rongone wrote:

Tim15856 wrote:

Rongone wrote:

"
"How about if you let Ron ask his own question". Tim

I already did and I'm still waiting for an answer from you Tim.

OK, you said something about a school test grade. When using precise numbers, no that would not be an exaggeration. So?

 


I'll try again. Read these, comprehend the questions, and then do your best to provide a reasonable answer to the questions without obsfucation, deflection, or attacking the questioner.

1) So, enlighten me Tim as to exactly what 'extreme vetting' entails. What questions, sources, interview methods, U.S. Embassy/consulate procedures should be changed to ensure 100% compliance with 'I love America' will be the only foreigners that will be granted visas?



2) So, your 13 year old comes home from school and you ask how they did on that big ethics test they took the other day. "I aced it dad. Yep I got 100% on it." The kid responds.

"Good job", you reply.

Then, a couple of days later, you get notified by the kid's teacher that the kid flunked . . . got only a 40% on the test.

Now, did your 13 year old lie to you . . . Or did he just exaggerate his test score?




I'll be happy to try to clarify any part of the questions that confuse you.

I answered your 2nd question, no it's not an exaggeration, so what? As for your first question, do you think I work for Trump? How the hell do I know what he plans to do? What I do know is terrorists are trying to infiltrate the refugees and the Syrian rebels may have passport machines so if you care for your fellow Americans at all, you should not have a problem with any attempt to make sure terrorists don't get in.

 

2/20/2017 6:06 pm  #50


Re: So what is Extreme Vetting anyway

tennyson wrote:

Just Fred wrote:

Tim, if you haven't already, read through the 14 characteristics of fascism.  If you already did, read through it again.  Be honest, do you see any parallels with what's been happening here with this administration?

It is impossible to reason with someone that looks at lies and calls it something else. My suggestion is stop trying. The people who like Trump are looking for a saviour, but it is interesting that on one hand they disregard his lying yet think that all his promises to help them will magically come true. I wonder when they don't happen if they will say it was just an "exaggeration" ? 

When are you going to have something worthwhile to add to the conversation?
 

 

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