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So, while the "news" is repeatedly saying Trump's claims have been debunked, and liberals are enthusiastically mocking him, once non-citizens get registered to vote, how would "evidence" of them casting an illegal ballot be acquired?
Is anyone here opposed to a thorough examination of state voter registrations against a comprehensive federal citizen database?
I always go back to the PA Voter ID fight during the Corbett administration. During that time, the commonwealth's county commissioners association wrote a letter to the state legislature opposing all efforts to alter voter ID requirements. You can read the entire letterhere, but here's the important part.
Administration of elections generally, and of polling places, is a responsibility we take seriously. Were the question of fraudulent voting an issue, we would be calling for legislation such as these proposals, and perhaps other measures, to deal with the problem. But we find no evidence – substantiated by a search of case records and anecdotal information from the counties – that it is an issue. And so we believe a requirement to present ID at all elections is a solution to a problem that does not exist.
On the other side of the argument, we are concerned about negative effects of the legislation in the conduct of elections. At the polling place, the most common issue that confronts the voter is the length of the line. Queuing theory, which studies how service processes such as bank and fast food lines are managed, establishes that any incremental process that is injected in the service queue adds more than its completion time to that service. So even simply adding the review of the ID increases the time it takes electors to move through to the polls and increases the length of lines outside.
We have found the first-time voter ID provision of current law to be reasonable and workable. While it does set a standard beyond the federal standard, which applies just to first-time mail-in registrants, it gives flexibility in the ID that can be presented so that voters are rarely required to vote provisionally for forgetting to bring ID. Moreover, we think the standard of first-time ID satisfies the primary issue HB 934 and HB 647 are trying to address – verification that the registrant is who they say they are. Once
established for the first time, with matching signature in the poll book, it seems to us redundant to ask for ID at subsequent elections.
Lest anyone think this is a partisan letter, across the commonwealth, counties are largely run by Republicans outside of the big cities. And every single county signed on to this letter.
The reason I bring this up is because elections are not run at a federal level, but at a state and local level. It has been this way since our founding. And the people who run the elections, from the county leaders to the little old ladies who check you in and make you sign the voter registry, take their jobs very seriously.
For Trump to say that there was wide spread voter fraud is a slap in the face to the people with their boots on the ground who work diligently to ensure free, fair, and lawful elections.
On top of that, for Trump to state that there was election fraud to the extent of 3 to 5 million votes without a whiff of evidence is to undermine the citizen's faith in our democracy. Why would he want to do that?
Let's move on to the legal issues around this. Outside of the need to be 18 years old to vote, what other federal elections laws are there? I am not aware of any because it is handled by the states. So when the Department of Justice shows up in Harrisburg, is the Pennsylvania Department of State going to be required to share our voter rolls with the Trump administration? What "comprehensive citizen database" are we bouncing state voter rolls against in Washington? Does the Trump administration get not only a list of who voted in 2016, but who they voted for? And how much is this fishing expedition going to cost? And is Donald Trump's end goal here to federalize elections? And has Donald Trump earned the trust of the American people to the extent that we can even take seriously the findings? And if the findings turn up no voter fraud (see: Trump's "investigation" of Obama's birth certificate), will it even be reported out to the American people?
Personally, I believe that if there was widespread voter fraud, we would know it by now. Someone would have published it, be it Drudge, or Breitbart, or even the mainstream media.
This investigation will be a waste of time, money, and resources, and solely to satiate Trump's own ego and mental fragility.
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Thanks, Lager. That was a very thoughtful post that covers the ground nicely.
In the final account, a very serious, and completely unsubstantiated charge was made by a man with a long history of saying things that are not true. A man with a very large ego who is peddling an unsubstantiated story line that benefits that ego.
Are we really going to launch a major investigation on that basis?
Furthermore, isn't it time to reject the Trump scam where, instead of addressing issues, we get into these debates about whether up is really up, or if gravity exists.
I think that the press has it right in just saying that the president repeated a lie, and that's that.
If you don't want to be mocked for saying stupid S, then don't say stupid S.
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Trump needed a NEW Conspiracy Theory for his minions !
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Personally, I believe that if there was widespread voter fraud, we would know it by now. Someone would have published it, be it Drudge, or Breitbart, or even the mainstream media.
This investigation will be a waste of time, money, and resources, and solely to satiate Trump's own ego and mental fragility. - Lager
Whoa, whoa, whoa ................ we've already caught one. Steve Bannon is registered to vote in 2 states, Florida and New York. That rascal.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa ................ we've already caught one. Steve Bannon is registered to vote in 2 states, Florida and New York. That rascal.
The other Trump admiinstration members and family members have been discovered today to have voter registrations in multiple states.
Steve Bannon
Steve Mnuchin
Jared Kushner
Reince Priebus
Tiffany Trump
The full story should be published tomorrow.
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Even Shep Smith on Fox News said Fox has NO credible source indicating voter fraud.
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Bannon--just today and after that news came out unregistered his Florida voter registration.