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1/16/2017 11:42 am  #11


Re: Off to a Poor Start

Goose wrote:

Well, "Approval" can be a fleeting thing.
Your questions are interesting.
. Also interesting that you look at the Same poll, at he same time, in four presidencies and see a huge outlier. What, if anything does it portend?
That was my point.

The American people are fickle, as seen through the election. I think we'll see bigger, more frequent swings in approval polling during the Trump years. 


 


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1/17/2017 6:59 am  #12


Re: Off to a Poor Start

TheLagerLad wrote:

Goose wrote:

Well, "Approval" can be a fleeting thing.
Your questions are interesting.
. Also interesting that you look at the Same poll, at he same time, in four presidencies and see a huge outlier. What, if anything does it portend?
That was my point.

The American people are fickle, as seen through the election. I think we'll see bigger, more frequent swings in approval polling during the Trump years. 


 

 
I agree. And, indeed, the people are fickle. I recall GHWB having a very high approval rating at the end of Desert Storm, only to lose to Bill Clinton less than a year later.

But, no president completely ignores polls. He can't. After an election and campaign tainted on both sides, Trump will enter office with the lowest approval rating in history. If his number stays low, republicans in congress will feel emboldened and the scales of power tilt in their favor. When we think of conflict in government we tend to focus nearly exclusively on the R v D dynamic. But there is also a Legislative v Executive tension.

Also, everybody in the House is now running for re-election in 2018. Low poll numbers by the president will put republican seats at risk. As each legislator focuses on saving his own job, It makes it difficult to pass a trump agenda. As much as the nation gets caught up in his every utterance, one should Remember, he isn't a king. Trump needs those people. If his poll numbers are high, he can get what he needs with some shared vision, and some strong-arming. If his numbers are low, he becomes a toothless dog.

A poll doesn't amount to a hill of beans, but his approval over time is important. Popularity is currency in Washington.

Finally there is trump the man. I have been watching this guy and his thin skinned tweets for over a year. I do not see a man so devoted to principles that he  cares not if congressmen stand up to him, or that the adoring crowd gets smaller.

Yes, the people are fickle. And the numbers will swing. I believe that. What I do not believe is that trump will ignore the numbers.

But, he IS off to a Poor Start as measured by the poll. It may not be consequential. But it is there.


The president will feel pressure to get those numbers up. THIS president might do something spectacular, and reckless, in an attempt to do so.
This is worrisome.

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1/17/2017 9:32 am  #13


Re: Off to a Poor Start

Hilarious article on the CNN website.
Check it out.
Apparently trump is losing support among white supremacists.
One was quoted as saying, "We were hoping that trump would do something to end immigration, but we are concerned that he is just going to fight with people on Twitter ".

Hilarious

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1/17/2017 1:22 pm  #14


Re: Off to a Poor Start

Donald trump weighed in on his historical low approval rating on the eve of his presidency.

He didn't talk about the challenges of uniting a fractured nation.
He didn't reassure doubters that he will be their president too.

Taking to Twitter Trump announced that the polls were "rigged".

Well, That should satisfy the cultists.
Trump never passes up an opportunity to be small.. 

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1/17/2017 2:01 pm  #15


Re: Off to a Poor Start

Is it any wonder his approval rating is so low when the left continues to cry about every move he makes? Maybe I missed it, but no where in the MSM did I hear about Trump criticizing the vote to lower the cost to buy drugs. http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/senate-republicans-block-trump-proposal-to-lower-prescription-drug-prices but gee, even Bernie gives him credit, but if nothing positive about Trump gets reported, don't expect him to win any popularity contests.

 

1/17/2017 2:10 pm  #16


Re: Off to a Poor Start

With all due respect, Tim that's one thing in a two month period.
And ultimately it did no good, and is dwarfed by his insults to our allies, cozying up to a war criminal, trying to bully ethics watchdogs and the like.
He criticized a vote.
Big deal.
Some things  Il Duce deserves particular condemnation for, his hamfisted, amateurish attempts to conduct foreign policy before he's even sworn in. We have one president at a time, and trump's behavior is a disgrace.
Any bad press the man gets, he deserves. The cult should stop crying about it, and tell their guy to get his act together.

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1/17/2017 8:37 pm  #17


Re: Off to a Poor Start

Goose wrote:

With all due respect, Tim that's one thing in a two month period.
And ultimately it did no good, and is dwarfed by his insults to our allies, cozying up to a war criminal, trying to bully ethics watchdogs and the like.
He criticized a vote.
Big deal.
Some things Il Duce deserves particular condemnation for, his hamfisted, amateurish attempts to conduct foreign policy before he's even sworn in. We have one president at a time, and trump's behavior is a disgrace.
Any bad press the man gets, he deserves. The cult should stop crying about it, and tell their guy to get his act together.

It is a good thought on Trump's part, but likely another promise he will not be able to fulfill primary because of his own party. For sure  it will be a tall order for the president-elect to develop such a policy under a Republican-controlled Congress. In 2003, a GOP-majority House passed a restriction that forbid the government from negotiating Medicare drug prices—a move some criticized as influenced by the powerful drug lobby.


 

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1/17/2017 8:42 pm  #18


Re: Off to a Poor Start

Tim15856 wrote:

Is it any wonder his approval rating is so low when the left continues to cry about every move he makes? Maybe I missed it, but no where in the MSM did I hear about Trump criticizing the vote to lower the cost to buy drugs. .

Why yes, you did miss it.
I just googled, "Trump senate drug costs", and was immediately shown articles about this from Salon, Reuters, Huffington post, Bloomberg, U.S. news, Washington Post, USA Today, Miami herald,,,, etc, etc.
 


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1/17/2017 10:41 pm  #19


Re: Off to a Poor Start

Mr. Braggadocious announced he's expecting the biggest coronation--er-inauguration which may turn out to be the smallest in 40 years or more with his approval rating in the tank.  The number of protestors in Washington, D. C. between now and Saturday could outnumber Friday's count.

 

1/18/2017 6:43 am  #20


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Tim's got a point.
It's no wonder trump's approval rating is so low when the left continues to take note of what he says and does,,,,,,, so unfair. 


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