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1/08/2017 11:50 am  #1


INSIDE HOW TRUMP WON THE WHITE WORKING CLASS

Interesting article, I wondered how Trump supporters have viewed the coverage of him since the election, and what the article says definitely confirms it.  All bolded statements are mine for emphasis

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/01/how-trump-won-the-white-working-class

The mainstream media have been relentlessly critical of Trump during the transition, criticizing him for virtually every action: how he has engaged with foreign leaders, how he has tweeted about Saturday Night Live (or North Korea, or Chuck Schumer, or Israel), his process for picking Cabinet members, the quality of the selections for the Justice Department, the E.P.A., H.H.S., H.U.D., the ambassador for our embassy in Tel Aviv (or is it Jerusalem now). The list goes on seemingly endlessly. And there is some reason to think that some of Trump’s actions, like using Goldman Sachs as a personal employment agency and selecting a secretary of state from the executive suite of Exxon Mobil, might not be warmly embraced in an area that feels victimized by Wall Street and big business. I was curious to see how this was all playing out, whether there are early signs of buyer’s remorse or not.

At the Royal Oaks Bar & Grill, a Youngstown landmark, the conversation drifts between football and the local economy, and there was obvious burnout at the end of a much too long political cycle. My incessant questions about Trump were met with a certain amount of good-natured groaning and good-natured (I hope) threats of what would happen to me if I didn’t change the topic. The qualifications or not of Trump’s appointees and other criticisms were generally shrugged off mostly as media obsessions. Viking Jim, a local radio host who sports a Minnesota Vikings hat and matching tattoo, told me that the only political topic his listeners will talk about now is the Carrier deal.


The Carrier deal, which Trump struck to at least temporarily retain some 500 to 1,000 or manufacturing jobs in Indiana (Mike Pence’s home state), had clearly become a local obsession. In Washington, and on the left, the deal was generally derided as an example of political posturing (what would 500 jobs really do to overturn the inexorable tide of globalization), executive meddling (can a president threaten a company?), and a bit of pure political gamesmanship (Carrier’s parent company, United Technologies, was largely perceived as acceding to Trump’s demands to avoid losing lucrative government contracts).

Among the people I met in Youngstown, however, there was little of this skepticism. Instead, there was a widely held belief that no other politician, at least no other national politician, would have done the same. Sitting next to me the next morning at the counter of the Golden Dawn Restaurant, Marty McKenna, a retired postal worker, told me that he loved what Trump did with Carrier: “He is Ronald Reagan on steroids. I haven’t felt this good about a politician in years, because he is not a politician.” The day after the election, General Motors announced the closure of the third shift at the nearby Lordstown plant, putting another roughly 1,200 people out of work, and there was a whiff of hope that Trump could do for Youngstown what it believed he did for Indianapolis.

The Carrier deal plays so well because it fits with what people expect of Trump and what they believe Hillary Clinton would not have done—fight for the jobs that they want. Throughout the campaign, voters in Youngstown heard Trump talk about how he would protect good jobs and bring back lost jobs. From Clinton, regardless of what she said, what people heard was something different: talk of putting miners out of work, talk of retraining (a four-letter word in Youngstown), and a disinterest in fighting for the jobs that people in Youngstown aspire to. Dave Betras, the chair of the Mahoning County Democratic Party, told me, in between swearing about the election results, that national Democrats have forgotten “how to talk Democratic,” how to fight for jobs for people who “shower after work, not before.” He laughed bitterly when he explained that a billionaire from New York who “shits on a gold-plated toilet” did a better job of connecting with Youngstown workers than the Democratic standard-bearer.

The criticisms that Democrats and media have leveled at Trump over the last weeks simply have not landed with Youngstown residents, and to the extent they have registered, they tend to have worked in Trump’s favor. Shake the press pool? Take phone calls from the president of Taiwan? Tweet about cost overruns on the F-35 program? It all works because it is a different way of doing business, one that has the added bonus of irritating media and Establishment Washington. If traditional politics and traditional politicians of both parties have failed to deliver for two generations, doing things differently, even if they sometimes feel crass or off-kilter, is worth the gamble. Congressman Ryan told me the story of one of the last electricians left at Delphi, who was sent down to Mexico to train his own replacement. After the election, that same electrician approached Ryan and exclaimed, “I have been waiting 30 years for something new.”
 

Last edited by Brady Bunch (1/08/2017 11:52 am)

 

1/08/2017 11:55 am  #2


Re: INSIDE HOW TRUMP WON THE WHITE WORKING CLASS

Good insight into some of the minds of Trump supporters.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

1/08/2017 12:18 pm  #3


Re: INSIDE HOW TRUMP WON THE WHITE WORKING CLASS

You know, there is another side to this coin.
Yes, it seems that Trump's behavior has not caused him to lose any support amongst his fans.
But, if the writer were to travel from Youngstown to, say Massachusetts, he might find that Trump's behavior has not caused him to gain any support amongst his critics.
Why is this important? Because Trump's critics are not - contrary to what his fans would have you believe - just some people in the media. We are a divided country. Trump did, in fact, lose the popular vote.

A lot has been written about how people outside the white working class have to get out of their bubble, and to understand the Trumpers, or all will be lost to the democrats. Well, if living in the professional class is a bubble, then so is living in the white working class.

And the white working class has, so far, shown no interest at all in understanding the folks outside of their bubble. There are people who honestly have concerns about Russian hacking, Trump's casual relationship with the truth, some of his cabinet picks, his talk of an arms race. These are real concerns, and you have to do more than scream "Sore loser" every time there is a concern.

Every president runs into rough patches. Trump would be wise to broaden his support for when that day comes.

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We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

1/08/2017 3:15 pm  #4


Re: INSIDE HOW TRUMP WON THE WHITE WORKING CLASS

We get the government we deserve as the saying goes. 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

1/08/2017 4:16 pm  #5


Re: INSIDE HOW TRUMP WON THE WHITE WORKING CLASS

"...talk of retraining (a four-letter word in Youngstown" seems to cut off the nose to spite the face.  There are many job opportunities everywhere but they are not the same jobs you've always had or the kind of employment your father or grandfather did in their days.  Community colleges offer low cost or free job training thru some employers and they too offer great free job training to fill their long-vacant positions.  For able-bodied individuals who are unemployed and become couch potatoes or those who sit around in the neighborhood bars complaining of lack of employment open your eyes and ears to what is out there for assistance beyond unemployment checks for they to come to an end.

 

1/08/2017 4:20 pm  #6


Re: INSIDE HOW TRUMP WON THE WHITE WORKING CLASS

flowergirl wrote:

"...talk of retraining (a four-letter word in Youngstown" seems to cut off the nose to spite the face.  There are many job opportunities everywhere but they are not the same jobs you've always had or the kind of employment your father or grandfather did in their days.  Community colleges offer low cost or free job training thru some employers and they too offer great free job training to fill their long-vacant positions.  For able-bodied individuals who are unemployed and become couch potatoes or those who sit around in the neighborhood bars complaining of lack of employment open your eyes and ears to what is out there for assistance beyond unemployment checks for they to come to an end.

Good catch, Flowergirl.
If they can't lower themselves to adapt to the new economy, neither Trump nor anyone else can save them.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

1/08/2017 6:29 pm  #7


Re: INSIDE HOW TRUMP WON THE WHITE WORKING CLASS

My guess would be the issue with job retraining is the fact that it has been around for a long time and they are very familiar with it and haven't seen any benefits from it.  To many, it is seen as another big government promise that hasn't produced.  So if you have lived in an area like Youngstown where the economy has been depressed for many years and job retraining has not been helpful, having candidate Clinton promise more job retraining is meaningless.

We certainly are a divided country, and it is definitely becoming more divided and devisive on both sides.  Until people learn to communicate and listen to the other side without being condescending, nothing will improve.

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1/08/2017 6:34 pm  #8


Re: INSIDE HOW TRUMP WON THE WHITE WORKING CLASS

Actually, there are areas of job growth, they just aren't in areas that these men wish to see.
Can I fix that?


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

1/08/2017 7:32 pm  #9


Re: INSIDE HOW TRUMP WON THE WHITE WORKING CLASS

flowergirl wrote:

"...talk of retraining (a four-letter word in Youngstown" seems to cut off the nose to spite the face.  There are many job opportunities everywhere but they are not the same jobs you've always had or the kind of employment your father or grandfather did in their days.  Community colleges offer low cost or free job training thru some employers and they too offer great free job training to fill their long-vacant positions.  For able-bodied individuals who are unemployed and become couch potatoes or those who sit around in the neighborhood bars complaining of lack of employment open your eyes and ears to what is out there for assistance beyond unemployment checks for they to come to an end.

I went to Monster.com to check on jobs available in Youngstown. There are many. Not all are those that require advanced technical training and some advertised were even providing training. I agree that it sometimes requires people to leave their comfort level and or expertise to re-gain good employment. We need to provide better job hunting skills (and re-training if needed) to all those that truly want to get back to work in a meaningful job. Here are the jobs listed for Youngstown are on this one site (over 1000+ jobs) 

https://www.monster.com/jobs/search/?where=Youngstown__2C-OH






 

Last edited by tennyson (1/08/2017 7:36 pm)


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

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