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1/03/2017 11:40 am  #1


Cuomo to Propose Free Tuition at New York State Colleges for Eligible

Cuomo to Propose Free Tuition at New York State Colleges for Eligible Students

ALBANY — Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo will announce a plan Tuesday morning to offer free tuition at state colleges to hundreds of thousands of middle- and low-income New Yorkers, seizing on a popular liberal talking point on the eve of national Republican ascension.

Under the governor’s plan, any college student who has been accepted to a state or city university in New York — including two-year community colleges — will be eligible provided they or their family earn $125,000 or less annually.

Mr. Cuomo, a Democrat, is expected to unveil his proposal at an event in Queens alongside Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, who had sought their party’s presidential nomination with a similar stance last year, arguing that student debt was crippling the prospects of generations of young Americans.

Called the Excelsior Scholarship, the funds are envisioned as a way to complete tuition payments by supplementing existing state and federal loan and grant programs, according to administration officials who have been briefed about the governor’s plans but spoke on the condition of anonymity because Mr. Cuomo has not publicly announced the program.

Mr. Cuomo hopes for a quick start for his idea, with a three-year rollout beginning in the fall, though it will require legislative approval, a potential snag when the governor and lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have been at odds over a pay raise and other issues.

It was not immediately clear how the program would be paid for, though the administration said the state already provided nearly $1 billion in support through its tuition assistance program; those awards are capped at $5,165, and many of the grants are smaller.

If the plan is approved, the Cuomo administration estimates the program would allow nearly a million New York families with college-age children, or independent adults, to qualify. The estimated costs of the program, when fully put in place in 2019, would be $163 million, though the administration acknowledges that estimate could be too low — or too high — depending on participation.

Current tuition at four-year State University of New York schools for state residents is $6,470; at two-year community colleges the cost is $4,350. Costs for City University of New York schools are approximately the same.

Mr. Cuomo, a centrist with rumored presidential ambition, has tracked left on a series of issues during his second term, championing a higher minimum wage and paid family leave, though he continues to face criticism from some progressive groups over sometimes working closely with Republicans who rule the State Senate.

Mr. Cuomo’s plan will be unveiled around 10:30 a.m. at LaGuardia Community College in Queens.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/03/nyregion/free-tuition-new-york-colleges-plan.html


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1/03/2017 12:05 pm  #2


Re: Cuomo to Propose Free Tuition at New York State Colleges for Eligible

A step in the right direction.  Education should be national priority, but doing this at the state level is a start.

 

1/03/2017 12:17 pm  #3


Re: Cuomo to Propose Free Tuition at New York State Colleges for Eligible

Perhaps this is opportunity for the states to serve as "Laboratories of democracy".
Let the states that value education continue to innovate and to enjoy the fruits of our endeavors in a more educated and prosperous population.
Of course, we should be freed for sending more than our fair share of federal dollars to prop up those states who do not value education.


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1/03/2017 1:21 pm  #4


Re: Cuomo to Propose Free Tuition at New York State Colleges for Eligible

Guess the tax payers in New York will just pay more in taxes!   PA comes in at # 15 State Tax burden
Of course spending more money for education does not equal better educational results.

New York has heaviest state and local tax burden in nation
http://www.syracuse.com/state/index.ssf/2016/01/new_york_has_heaviest_state_and_local_tax_burden_in_nation.html

SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- New York taxpayers spend 12.7 percent of their income paying state and local taxes, the highest rate in the country, according to a Tax Foundation report released this week. On average, New Yorkers paid $6,993 in combined state and local taxes in 2012, the most recent year the Tax Foundation studied.

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1/03/2017 2:02 pm  #5


Re: Cuomo to Propose Free Tuition at New York State Colleges for Eligible

It's up to the people of new York, now isn't it?
Maybe they think more of education than you


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1/03/2017 5:00 pm  #6


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I'm eager to see how this works out and hope it is a success. 

I personally think that this is the sort of thing that does need to be done at the state level. Common is right when he says New York has a high level of taxation. Some people may leave the state. Some may move to New York because of this plan. But I think it is a good to have a trial and see if it is sustainable fiscally, but more importantly, gets more New Yorkers a valuable college degree.


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1/03/2017 7:20 pm  #7


Re: Cuomo to Propose Free Tuition at New York State Colleges for Eligible

True, the tax level is higher.
But so is the median income.
Isn't there a parable about being penny wise and pound foolish?


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1/03/2017 8:05 pm  #8


Re: Cuomo to Propose Free Tuition at New York State Colleges for Eligible

TheLagerLad wrote:

I'm eager to see how this works out and hope it is a success. 

I personally think that this is the sort of thing that does need to be done at the state level. Common is right when he says New York has a high level of taxation. Some people may leave the state. Some may move to New York because of this plan. But I think it is a good to have a trial and see if it is sustainable fiscally, but more importantly, gets more New Yorkers a valuable college degree.

I agree, things like this should be done on the state level.  This is not a power the federal government should have in my opinion.  More likely to get the representation you want on a state level.

It will be interesting to see how this works, although it won't be as much of a financial burden as it would be on PA residents.  State university tuition in NY is only $6,500, and with state and federal aid there probably isn't much of a gap for low-income households.  It appears NY is already subsidizing their tuition with the high taxes they collect.  With PA's in-state tuition being $11,500 approximately, that would require more of an investment to do something like that.

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1/03/2017 8:34 pm  #9


Re: Cuomo to Propose Free Tuition at New York State Colleges for Eligible

Tennessee is already supporting Free College and a couple of other states are considering it as well. 

https://thinkprogress.org/this-state-will-offer-free-college-tuition-to-high-school-graduates-abef22dbe808#.hgilf3o8z





 


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1/03/2017 10:00 pm  #10


Re: Cuomo to Propose Free Tuition at New York State Colleges for Eligible

The bottomline is this:  Taxes are the price we pay to live in a civilized society.  The question then becomes, what are the priorities for the future of a democracy organized of, by, and for the people?  I consider education an absolute necessity, and I applaud any state or nation that sees education as an investment in the future. 

 

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