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You will have to decide for yourself who you find credible.
I already told you that I think people who don't vote at all and complain are completely credible.
Fine. You find their complaints credible.
I do not.
That's why there's Coke AND Pepsi.
We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists.
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You will have to decide for yourself who you find credible.
I'm asking you, who do you find credible?
Asked, and answered.
We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists.
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You will have to decide for yourself who you find credible.
I'm asking you, who do you find credible?Asked, and answered.
You didn't answer. Are they only credible, to you, if they vote for someone who is on the ballot?
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No, I believe in write- in campaigns. But a write in campaign isn't just voting. It involves talking to others.
in other words, participation.
Are we done?
We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists.
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No, I believe in right in campaigns. But a write in campaign isn't just voting. It involves talking to others.
in other words, participation.
Are we done?
Yeah, done. I was just curious on your thoughts. I really wasn't playing a game or being slick.
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Man, I used to be in the same place you are now, but have done a 180 on the voting thing. The reason is this: The plutocrats and oligarchs that are doing their best to control the country actually don't want you to vote.
Voting is important. If it wasn't, ask yourself this: Why would the Koch Brothers, for example, inject 800 million dollars into political campaigns if voting wasn't important? I'm sure we could come up with other examples of mega-wealthy corporatists who are doing the same thing.
Democracy depends on an active, informed populace. If you don't vote, you are saying, "Ok, I give up and will accept whatever crumbs might actually filter down to me by accident. I will let those with power and influence determine the fate and future of me, my kids, and grandchildren."
Why do you think civilizations, nations, and countries crumbled in the past?
They crumbled from within and joined the dozens and dozens of nations who also believed they were the 'greatest nation on earth', or 'God's chosen people'. The people became complacent and didn't speak out or became apathetic.
Don't go down the path I traveled for much too long.
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Man, I used to be in the same place you are now, but have done a 180 on the voting thing. The reason is this: The plutocrats and oligarchs that are doing their best to control the country actually don't want you to vote.
Voting is important. If it wasn't, ask yourself this: Why would the Koch Brothers, for example, inject 800 million dollars into political campaigns if voting wasn't important? I'm sure we could come up with other examples of mega-wealthy corporatists who are doing the same thing.
Democracy depends on an active, informed populace. If you don't vote, you are saying, "Ok, I give up and will accept whatever crumbs might actually filter down to me by accident. I will let those with power and influence determine the fate and future of me, my kids, and grandchildren."
Why do you think civilizations, nations, and countries crumbled in the past?
They crumbled from within and joined the dozens and dozens of nations who also believed they were the 'greatest nation on earth', or 'God's chosen people'. The people became complacent and didn't speak out or became apathetic.
Don't go down the path I traveled for much too long.
Fred, I do vote, every time, every year, primaries and general elections, haven't missed one since I turned 18 in January of 1996. I'm just saying that I don't blame those who decide to stay home because they think none of the candidates are worth it, and I do think they are credible when they complain. They complain because there are no credible candidates, and the people who get elected are bad at their job.
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I'm glad for you, Man. Since I'm registered independent, I'm not allowed to particiapte in primaries in PA ( a sore spot for me, but that's for another topic starter), but we can't become apathetic and we have a responsibility in a democratic society to encourage others to participate in the the process or we get what we deserve.
BTW, you turning 18 in '96 and getting involved means you have more sense than I did 30 years before that when I turned 18. 
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What does Rubio what to do?
That is the crux of the thing.
We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists.
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I'm glad for you, Man. Since I'm registered independent, I'm not allowed to particiapte in primaries in PA ( a sore spot for me, but that's for another topic starter), but we can't become apathetic and we have a responsibility in a democratic society to encourage others to participate in the the process or we get what we deserve.
BTW, you turning 18 in '96 and getting involved means you have more sense than I did 30 years before that when I turned 18.
Oh damn, you're an old dude!
I'm teasing! :D