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4/13/2015 6:42 pm  #11


Re: "I shot him. I'm sorry"

I guess that incompetence is going to be his defense.

How reassuring to the public that must be.


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4/13/2015 7:05 pm  #12


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Why was Bates, 73, even at the scene?

And with the video released, questions are also swirling over why the 73-year-old Bates, who is an unpaid certified reserve deputy, was on the scene in such a sensitive and high-risk sting operation.

Daniel Smolen, an attorney representing the Harris family, said Bates was given opportunities to work with the Tulsa County Sheriff's Office because of his significant and longstanding financial support of the agency.

"He could do anything he wanted to, carte blanche access to do whatever he wanted, but with no training," Smolen said.​

Wood said his client -- who had donated cars and video equipment to the Sheriff's Office -- had undergone all the required training and had participated in more than 100 operations with the task force he was working with the day he shot Harris. But he'd never been the main deputy in charge of arresting a suspect, Wood said.

"Probably in the past four of five years since he has been working in conjunction with the task force he has been on, (there were) in excess of 100 operations or search warrants where he was placed on the outer perimeter," Wood said. "He has never been on an arrest team or been the one who is primarily responsible for the capture or the arrest of a suspect. He is there more in a support mechanism."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/13/us/tulsa-police-shooting-eric-harris-deputy-charged/index.html


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4/13/2015 7:35 pm  #13


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Just Fred wrote:

Ok, this is getting weird.  So because a taser resembles a gun, we shouldn't expect the user to always make the right choice?  That's the defense?

Here's more on this story:

The 73-year-old reserve deputy in Oklahoma charged today with second-degree manslaughter in what authorities have called the “inadvertent” shooting death of a suspect "never intended in his 73 years of life to take a human life," a Tulsa County Sheriff's Office spokesman told ABC News today before the DA announced the formal charge.

Reserve deputy Robert Bates shot and killed Eric Harris April 2 after the deputy allegedly mistook his handgun for a stun-gun, officials said.

After seeing video of the shooting, Maj. Shannon Clark told ABC News earlier today, "You can tell it was inadvertent. The gun popped out of his [Bates] hand. He wasn't expecting a recoil.”

Bates, an unpaid volunteer who worked on a violent crimes task force and had to maintain firearm proficiency, "has to live with this the rest of his life,”Clark said.He added: "No one intended for Mr. Harris to die that day."

The Tulsa World has reported that Bates owns an insurance company.

As for Clark’s age, which some have raised as an issue, Clark said there is no age limit at the Sheriff's Office.

That he is being charged with manslaughter , one would expect his defense attorney to use such an argument along with his age. I think, however, that a lot may fall back on the department for letting this man be in on such activities. My guess is that a civil suit is forthcoming. There are a number of tragedies concerning this whole thing.


 



 


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4/13/2015 9:27 pm  #14


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The owner of an insurance agencey who donated lots of money & things to the department, is given free-range of the department for his generosity, who supposedly had hours of firearms training but no prior police experience, is a 73 year-old volunteer in the sheriff's office, is in the front line of a crime scene and confuses his firearm for his taser killing a fleeing felon, and the Sheriff's office has no age limit, not even for an unqualified volunteer.  WOW!.

 

4/14/2015 6:25 am  #15


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Pretty amazing is it not, flowergirl? 

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4/14/2015 7:54 am  #16


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Watching this on the Nightly News last night, they mentioned that many police departments have this type of unpaid, volunteer deputies on their forces. I could see the benefit of this in the case where you need extra bodies to help direct traffic, work special community events and the like, but it boggles my mind that they would allow these types of volunteers to be involved in major sting activities line the one the department ran that led to the shooting.

I should note also while the victim didn't deserve to die because of this, and manslaughter charges are waranted against the deputy, I also have a hard time feeling an overwhelming amount of sympathy for him. The victim was a criminal caught in a sting where he was attempting to sell an illegal handgun (which for all he knew would have been used in a crime that would result in the death of an innocent victim) and then upon realizing he was about to be arrested, fled. He certainly created the situation that led to this tragedy.


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4/14/2015 8:43 am  #17


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This whole 'volunteer deputy' thing got me curious about the programs in general.  Here's a pretty good article about how several states approach the thing.  I was a bit surprised to know there are an estimated 400,000 volunteer deputies across America with various levels of training and responsibilites:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2015/0414/Oklahoma-shooting-puts-spotlight-on-volunteer-cops

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4/14/2015 9:05 am  #18


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Good article Fred. I think the concept of volunteer deputies helping with parades, front desk duties, and community outreach are all valuable benefits to local police departments from both a budgetary and public relations standpoint. 

But yeah, they've got to take the guns out of the hands of the volunteers as well as remove them from crime fighting activities.


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4/14/2015 12:17 pm  #19


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4/14/2015 12:22 pm  #20


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TraderJay wrote:

That didn't take long. 
http://theexchange.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=245
 

 
Uncanny, isn't it?


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