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11/28/2016 8:43 am  #1


Will This Promise Join the Others in the Waste Bin?

Trump’s Promises Will Be Hard to Keep, but Coal Country Has Faith

WILLIAMSON, W.Va. — If a single moment captured coal country’s despair this year, it was when Bo Copley, a soft-spoken, out-of-work mine maintenance planner, fought tears as he asked Hillary Clinton how, having dismissed coal’s future in language that came back to haunt her, she could “come in here and tell us you’re going to be our friend.”

That was in May. Mr. Copley, 39 and a registered Republican, was “very uncomfortable” with Donald J. Trump then. But over time, in a paradox of the Bible Belt, this deeply religious father of three put his faith in a trash-talking, thrice-married Manhattan real estate mogul as a savior for coal country — and America.

“God has used unjust people to do his will,” Mr. Copley said, explaining his vote.

Now coal country is reckoning with an inconvenient truth: Mr. Trump’s expansive campaign promise to “put our miners back to work” will be very difficult to keep. Yet with America so divided over the election that some families barely made it through Thanksgiving — and with Mr. Trump backtracking on his declaration that global warming is an “expensive hoax” — Appalachians are eyeing Washington with a feeling they have not had in years: hope

.In his postelection messageto the nation, Mr. Trump promised to create “many millions of high-paying jobs” in energy, including coal. But utility companies have drastically reduced their reliance on coal, in part because of President Obama’s aggressive regulations to cut emissions that cause global warming, but also because natural gas is cheaper.

Nationally, about 300 coal-fired power plants have closed since 2008, according to the National Mining Association, an industry group.So even if Mr. Trump undoes Mr. Obama’s policies, many of those plants — including one in nearby Louisa, Ky., where a giant cooling tower was recently demolished after the plant converted from coal to natural gas — are not coming back. Analysts agree that what Appalachia really needs is a diversified economy, a goal that has eluded Mr. Obama and state and local politicians.But in this land of staggering beauty and economic pain, Trump backers said over and over again that while coal might never be what it once was, the businessman they helped send to the White House could indeed put them back to work — if not in mining, then in some other industry.

 “I don’t think he can ever fulfill all the promises he made even in four or eight years,” Danny Maynard, 59, said after a Bible study at the Chattaroy Missionary Baptist Church. Mr. Maynard lost his job at a coal company last year. “But I think we’re headed in the right direction,” he said. “He wants to make America great again.”Mr. Trump pummeled Mrs. Clinton in coal country. Here in West Virginia, he won every county and took 69 percent of the vote, a landslide also fueled by his promise to appoint conservative Supreme Court justices who would roll back abortion rights. As Mr. Copley put it, “Coal is secondary to me.”It is difficult for outsiders to fathom how deeply faith and work are intertwined here, or the economic and psychological depression that sets in when an entire region loses the only livelihood many of its people have ever known.

Coal has always been boom and bust; its decline began long before Mr. Obama took office. But in West Virginia alone, 12,000 coal industry jobs have been lost during his tenure.People in Appalachia are tired: tired of seeing their loved ones, and especially their children, leave for work in other states; tired of being viewed as ignorant hillbillies by well-to-do urbanites who do not recognize that when a family has been somewhere for generations, it is not so easy to pack up and leave; tired of feeling tired.

At the Huddle House on Route 119, Kayla Burger, 32, a waitress, has worked three jobs since her husband lost his; they take home less than a quarter of the roughly $100,000 he used to earn. She took an offer for miners’ wives to train as phlebotomists, but with so many miners out of work, the phlebotomy market was flooded. She also substitute teaches and cooks at the school.They have given up cellphones and sold their boat; one car has been repossessed; the only reason they still have their house, she said, was because they saw layoffs coming and saved money. Her husband, who cares for the children, has experienced depression. “He doesn’t feel like a man,” Ms. Burger said. Her father was a miner, too; he and her mother drive tractor-trailers now

.Photo Students, parents and teachers praying after a school Thanksgiving performance and assembly in Williamson.Credit Christian Tyler Randolph for The New York Times Here in Williamson — population roughly 3,100, down from 4,300 two decades ago — everyone has a story.

The city used to market itself as “the heart of the billion-dollar coal fields,” but it now wraps its tourism pitches around the Hatfield-McCoy trails that run through the nearby mountains. (“We’re the 50-cent coal fields,” said Natalie Taylor, the executive director of the Tug Valley Chamber of Commerce.) Williamson’s downtown, on the border with eastern Kentucky, sits between the Tug Fork of the Big Sandy River and the Norfolk Southern Railroad tracks

At the newly opened pulmonary clinic here for patients with black lung disease, Patricia Sigmon, a respiratory therapist, has been caught in the trickle-down. With coal paying less in severance tax to the state, there is less funding for schools. Her husband, a school bus driver in nearby Boone County, was forced to take a $4,000 cut in pay.Larry Gannon, 61, retired early from his job as a coal processing plant foreman so that a younger man could keep his. Mr. Copley’s wife, Lauren, has a photography business, which is how they make do. They used to have “Cadillac” health coverage; now they have Medicaid.

So when scientists and Democrats like Al Gore warn that Mr. Trump will endanger the planet, people hear that as something off in the future; feeding your family is here and now. And while there may be “some connectivity” between humans and global warming, as Mr. Trump conceded in an interview with The New York Times, people here say Mother Nature will also have her way; many remember how Williamson was wiped out in the Great Flood of 1977, when the river overflowed, submerging downtown.“When I was growing up, they said we were in an ice age,” said Kyle Lovern, the managing editor of The Williamson Daily News. He voted for Mr. Obama in 2008 and Mr. Trump this year.

Last edited by Goose (11/28/2016 8:45 am)


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

11/28/2016 9:13 am  #2


Re: Will This Promise Join the Others in the Waste Bin?

Just one more hollow promise. 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

11/28/2016 4:28 pm  #3


Re: Will This Promise Join the Others in the Waste Bin?

If Trump could bring durable prosperity to coal country, it would be an admirable accomplishment.
Of course, if that were easy to do, someone would have accomplished it by now.

Will Trump actually try?
Will the elites that he has appointed to posts in his administration be able to achieve what the elites who preceded them failed to do?
I doubt it. In Trump's entire life he has never tried to enrich anyone but himself.
I think that economic progress is not in the region's near future. And that Trump will try to placate the populist masses by offering the sop of a variety of scapegoats to blame and to hate.

Last edited by Goose (11/28/2016 4:29 pm)


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
     Thread Starter
 

11/28/2016 7:44 pm  #4


Re: Will This Promise Join the Others in the Waste Bin?

Obama will continue to get the blame for many of Trump's unfilled campaign promises long after he leaves office.  It's the American way.

 

11/29/2016 9:18 am  #5


Re: Will This Promise Join the Others in the Waste Bin?

This morning Trump tweeted that he wanted flag burners jailed.
Flag burning?
Seriously?
Not exactly the,,,um,,hottest issue of our time.
But it will rile people up.

I have a theory.
Trump is going to be totally unable to, or uninterested in, delivering on populist economic concerns.
And he is going to compensate by keeping people increasingly pre-occupied by populist cultural issues.
Flag burning, fights about media "bias",  protecting guns from nonexistent threats,,,and a host of other emotionally laden but ultimately irrelevant issues.
Don't look at that. Look at this.

We shall see.

Last edited by Goose (11/29/2016 9:21 am)


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
     Thread Starter
 

11/29/2016 9:30 am  #6


Re: Will This Promise Join the Others in the Waste Bin?

Goose wrote:

This morning Trump tweeted that he wanted flag burners jailed.
Flag burning?
Seriously?
Not exactly the,,,um,,hottest issue of our time.
But it will rile people up.

I have a theory.
Trump is going to be totally unable to, or uninterested in, delivering on populist economic concerns.
And he is going to compensate by keeping people increasingly pre-occupied by populist cultural issues.
Flag burning, fights about media "bias",  protecting guns from nonexistent threats,,,and a host of other emotionally laden but ultimately irrelevant issues.
Don't look at that. Look at this.

We shall see.

Our great nation is built on the freedom of expression. We may not always like the forms that it takes, but that is exactly what separates us from countries that suppress such things. Trump seems to have a problem with free press and free expression. It is one of his scariest attributes. That many people support him in that sense is even scarier. 


 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

11/29/2016 3:55 pm  #7


Re: Will This Promise Join the Others in the Waste Bin?

Goose wrote:

This morning Trump tweeted that he wanted flag burners jailed.
Flag burning?
Seriously?
Not exactly the,,,um,,hottest issue of our time.
But it will rile people up.

I have a theory.
Trump is going to be totally unable to, or uninterested in, delivering on populist economic concerns.
And he is going to compensate by keeping people increasingly pre-occupied by populist cultural issues.
Flag burning, fights about media "bias",  protecting guns from nonexistent threats,,,and a host of other emotionally laden but ultimately irrelevant issues.
Don't look at that. Look at this.

We shall see.

Flag Protection Act of 2005The Flag Protection Act of 2005 was a proposed United States federal law introduced by Senator Bob Bennett (R-Utah), with original co-sponsor Senator Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.).

Additional co-sponsors include Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), Mark Pryor (D-Ark.) and Thomas Carper (D-Del.).[1][/url] The law would have prohibited burning or otherwise destroying and damaging the US flag with the primary purpose of intimidation or inciting immediate violence or for the act of terrorism. It called for a punishment of no more than one year in prison and a fine of no more than $100,000; unless that flag was property of the United States Government, in which case the penalty would be a fine of not more than $250,000, not more than two years in prison, or both.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Protection_Act_of_2005#cite_note-bill-1][1][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Protection_Act_of_2005#cite_note-2][2][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Protection_Act_of_2005#cite_note-3][3]

According to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service, the act was summarized as such:Amends the federal criminal code to revise provisions regarding desecration of the flag to prohibit: (1) destroying or damaging a U.S. flag with the primary purpose and intent to incite or produce imminent violence or a breach of the peace; or (2) stealing or knowingly converting the use of a U.S. flag either belonging to the United States or on lands reserved for the United States and intentionally destroying or damaging that flag.[4]

Although the Supreme Court ruled in 1989 that flag-burning was protected by the First Amendment, the bill was intended, according to the New York Times, to take the issue back to Supreme Court which was more conservative in 2005 than it was in 1989 in order to overturn that earlier decision.[5][/url] Since the law was not passed or even considered by the United States Congress, its constitutionality was never challenged in the Supreme Court.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Protection_Act_of_2005#cite_note-bill-1][1][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Protection_Act_of_2005#cite_note-govtrack-4][4]


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
 

11/29/2016 3:58 pm  #8


Re: Will This Promise Join the Others in the Waste Bin?

Funny thing Trump has not been sworn in yet and the anti-Trump folks are on a 3 day bender......

The sky is falling, the sky is falling. Beyond hilarious!
He has not done one thing yet? 
 

Last edited by Common Sense (11/29/2016 3:58 pm)


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
 

11/29/2016 4:02 pm  #9


Re: Will This Promise Join the Others in the Waste Bin?

Hey common, we are just some folks talking about the issues of the day. If that offends you, too bad.

Dissent is still legal.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
     Thread Starter
 

11/29/2016 4:07 pm  #10


Re: Will This Promise Join the Others in the Waste Bin?

Goose wrote:

Hey common, we are just some folks talking about the issues of the day. If that offends you, too bad.

Dissent is still legal.

Not for much longer...... Trump is coming !


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
 

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