"Trump, before the election, claimed that voter fraud may happen"

Hold on a second.
Let's be truthful here.
Trump did NOT claim that fraud may happen. Before the election he claimed that the election was rigged. And just last week Trump claimed that he actually won the popular vote but for "millions of illegal votes". That is waaaaay different than than claiming "fraud may happen."

So, let's change the entire system in reaction to the baseless claims of one man?

BTW, Voter ID Laws would only target voter impersonation (Which is exceedingly rare). They would not address other forms of malfeasance, such as voter suppression, electronic manipulation, etc.

How would you address the fact that some voter ID laws, such as the one in NC which the Court found  "its provisions deliberately 'target African-Americans'... in an effort to depress black turnout at the polls."
In other words, how would you handle it when voter ID laws are used, not to prevent voter impersonation, but to achieve political advantage for one group?

And, finally how would you address fears of hacking?
Before you dismiss that as crazy, toss in Krugman and whatever,,,,,,,,,,
I mean, if we are going to impose voter ID laws in all 50 states in reaction to what you refer to as baseless claims of voter fraud, how can you then dismiss equally baseless claims of hacking with a wave of the hand?

Last edited by Goose (11/28/2016 8:17 am)

There is another big issue then of how to handle absentee ballots which are used by people such as servicemen, infirmed people, ets. 

The notion of voter fraud is much easier to accomplish with absentee ballots vs live impersonation.

 

 

The Man wrote:

Trump, before the election, claimed that voter fraud may happen. Now post election, Jill Stein, Hillary Clinton and the Clintonistas are claiming that voter fraud may have happened with the disclaimer that they have no proof and nothing to base their claims on.

So, why not just require voter ID in all fifty states? That would end this nonsense going forward.

Discuss, discuss...

So when you say, "Require ID in all fifty states", am I to assume you are looking to federalize elections? Cause outside of not being constitutional, it's just a bad idea to consolidate that sort of power in Washington, D.C.

But if you are just saying all fifty states should pass voter ID laws, well to be honest, I really don't care what the other 49 states do, but we don't have to look very far back to when Pennsylvania tried a voter ID law and what a disaster that turned out to be.

And for the record, Pennsylvania does have a voter ID law. New voters and voters voting in a precinct for the first time have to produce voter ID and while I don't think it's a necessary law, I do think it's reasonable.

But let's go back to the Gov. Corbett era when he tried to get a Voter ID law passed.

All 63 sets of county commissioners, most of whom are Republican, unanimously signed a letter to the state legislature, (also republican) stating that a voter ID law was, "a solution looking for a problem". They said it would slow down the voting process on election day and most importantly, the letter stated unequivocally that voter fraud was not an issue in the commonwealth.

To that point, in the few cases where their was election fraud, it was prosecuted, and offenders were found guilty and penalized.

Instituting voter ID in Pennsylvania proved to be a multi-million dollar boondoggle in which PennDOT workers in charge of providing ID cards were not trained on how to do so. On top of that, there were thousands of examples of legal voters, often black and elderly, who moved to Pennsylvania from the segregationist South in the 50's and 60's and have no birth certificate to provide the Commonwealth, which meant they would no longer be eligible to vote in Pennsylvania.

I'm just touching the tip of the iceberg here. Anyone can find the articles, or the court rulings from 2011-2012 that goes into great detail about how in Pennsylvania voter ID laws are discriminatory, but even more than that, simply not necessary.