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The Man wrote:
Jill Stein wasn't able to raise $5 million in nearly two years, and now she all of a sudden was able to raise nearly $5 million in one day. How did that happen exactly? Something is shady there for sure.
And also, Jill Stein got what, 1% of the vote? Why would she want a recount? Does she think the recount might possibly get her 1.001% of the vote?
This whole thing is funded by the DNC, they just paid Jill Stein to be the face of it so they don't have to take the negative publicity. It is clear as day.
She raised that money off of low information democratic voters who can't get over the fact that Hillary lost.
The DNC is in shambles. Hell, their leader is a interim placeholder while they figure out where they're going to go next. I don't think for a second that the Democratic Party is organized enough to pull something off with Jill Stein.
And oh, by the way, let's just say that in a recount, we learn that Hillary won Wisconsin. So what? It doesn't give her enough electoral votes to change the results. So saying that the DNC is behind doesn't pass the smell test for me.
On the case of Jill Stein and the greens, I do think that they're just fundraising and trying to pad their mailing lists.
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The Man wrote:
Jill Stein wasn't able to raise $5 million in nearly two years, and now she all of a sudden was able to raise nearly $5 million in one day. How did that happen exactly? Something is shady there for sure.
And also, Jill Stein got what, 1% of the vote? Why would she want a recount? Does she think the recount might possibly get her 1.001% of the vote?
This whole thing is funded by the DNC, they just paid Jill Stein to be the face of it so they don't have to take the negative publicity. It is clear as day.She raised that money off of low information democratic voters who can't get over the fact that Hillary lost.
The DNC is in shambles. Hell, their leader is a interim placeholder while they figure out where they're going to go next. I don't think for a second that the Democratic Party is organized enough to pull something off with Jill Stein.
And oh, by the way, let's just say that in a recount, we learn that Hillary won Wisconsin. So what? It doesn't give her enough electoral votes to change the results. So saying that the DNC is behind doesn't pass the smell test for me.
On the case of Jill Stein and the greens, I do think that they're just fundraising and trying to pad their mailing lists.
I don't see any reason that the DNC would fund this.
So, that theory is,,,,,,,,,, crap?
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TheLagerLad wrote:
The Man wrote:
Jill Stein wasn't able to raise $5 million in nearly two years, and now she all of a sudden was able to raise nearly $5 million in one day. How did that happen exactly? Something is shady there for sure.
And also, Jill Stein got what, 1% of the vote? Why would she want a recount? Does she think the recount might possibly get her 1.001% of the vote?
This whole thing is funded by the DNC, they just paid Jill Stein to be the face of it so they don't have to take the negative publicity. It is clear as day.She raised that money off of low information democratic voters who can't get over the fact that Hillary lost.
The DNC is in shambles. Hell, their leader is a interim placeholder while they figure out where they're going to go next. I don't think for a second that the Democratic Party is organized enough to pull something off with Jill Stein.
And oh, by the way, let's just say that in a recount, we learn that Hillary won Wisconsin. So what? It doesn't give her enough electoral votes to change the results. So saying that the DNC is behind doesn't pass the smell test for me.
On the case of Jill Stein and the greens, I do think that they're just fundraising and trying to pad their mailing lists.
It's not the fact that she raised nearly $5 million that is fishy, it's the fact that she did it in one day all of a sudden, when she couldn't raise that much during her entire Presidential campaign. Something definitely stinks of DNC involvement there, in my opinion.
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The Man wrote:
TheLagerLad wrote:
The Man wrote:
Jill Stein wasn't able to raise $5 million in nearly two years, and now she all of a sudden was able to raise nearly $5 million in one day. How did that happen exactly? Something is shady there for sure.
And also, Jill Stein got what, 1% of the vote? Why would she want a recount? Does she think the recount might possibly get her 1.001% of the vote?
This whole thing is funded by the DNC, they just paid Jill Stein to be the face of it so they don't have to take the negative publicity. It is clear as day.She raised that money off of low information democratic voters who can't get over the fact that Hillary lost.
The DNC is in shambles. Hell, their leader is a interim placeholder while they figure out where they're going to go next. I don't think for a second that the Democratic Party is organized enough to pull something off with Jill Stein.
And oh, by the way, let's just say that in a recount, we learn that Hillary won Wisconsin. So what? It doesn't give her enough electoral votes to change the results. So saying that the DNC is behind doesn't pass the smell test for me.
On the case of Jill Stein and the greens, I do think that they're just fundraising and trying to pad their mailing lists.
It's not the fact that she raised nearly $5 million that is fishy, it's the fact that she did it in one day all of a sudden, when she couldn't raise that much during her entire Presidential campaign. Something definitely stinks of DNC involvement there, in my opinion.
Anything besides conjecture to support that opinion?
Why would the DNC want to help the greens?
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TheLagerLad wrote:
The Man wrote:
Jill Stein wasn't able to raise $5 million in nearly two years, and now she all of a sudden was able to raise nearly $5 million in one day. How did that happen exactly? Something is shady there for sure.
And also, Jill Stein got what, 1% of the vote? Why would she want a recount? Does she think the recount might possibly get her 1.001% of the vote?
This whole thing is funded by the DNC, they just paid Jill Stein to be the face of it so they don't have to take the negative publicity. It is clear as day.She raised that money off of low information democratic voters who can't get over the fact that Hillary lost.
The DNC is in shambles. Hell, their leader is a interim placeholder while they figure out where they're going to go next. I don't think for a second that the Democratic Party is organized enough to pull something off with Jill Stein.
And oh, by the way, let's just say that in a recount, we learn that Hillary won Wisconsin. So what? It doesn't give her enough electoral votes to change the results. So saying that the DNC is behind doesn't pass the smell test for me.
On the case of Jill Stein and the greens, I do think that they're just fundraising and trying to pad their mailing lists.
In general, I agree with you and believe this is the most likely motivation for what Stein is doing.
However, I would not discount the Dems going to Stein and asking her to be "the face" of this request. This all started when the aforementioned J Alex Halderman went to the Clinton Campaign and suggested their could have been voter fraud in WI, MI and PA and they should request recounts. It is entirely possible people within the Clinton campaign wanted to pursue this, but knew they couldn't be leading the charge for a recount when they so thoroughly denounced Trump claiming the election was rigged without further damaging the Dem brand. So maybe they "encouraged" Halderman and Stein to work together on this and have her lead the charge.
Like I said, I don't think it is the most likely scenario of what happened, but it is not out of the realm of possibility.
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But, is there any evidence to suggest that it is true?
I can speculate that elves were involved, but absent evidence, where are we?
Hey, I could also speculate that the RNC is paying for this, because they know that a recount isn't going to change the election result, but news of the Stein effort will galvanize republican support and energy by their offense at the idea of a recount.
That would also be entirely possible and not out of the realm of possibility, while also entirely unsupported at this point.
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IF there is nothing to it, then that's just how it is and some people spent money for nothing.
And if there is nothing to it, then there should not be anything to worry about by the winning party.
Our democracy owes it to itself that we are even allowed to challenge and look into such a thing.
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The question remains, why has the President elect jumped on the far-fetched effort and claimed himself that the election was rigged, when he should be out there getting those coal jobs back?
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Goose wrote:
The question remains, why has the President elect jumped on the far-fetched effort and claimed himself that the election was rigged, when he should be out there getting those coal jobs back?
Who knows with Trump. His tweets were certainly a waste of time especially when there is so much to be done that our country depends upon. His demeanor more and more is not one of a leader of ALL the people of the US. Sad.
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Goose wrote:
The question remains, why has the President elect jumped on the far-fetched effort and claimed himself that the election was rigged, when he should be out there getting those coal jobs back?
Who knows with Trump. His tweets were certainly a waste of time especially when there is so much to be done that our country depends upon. His demeanor more and more is not one of a leader of ALL the people of the US. Sad.
Trump is out there again this morning claiming that he won the popular vote and that millions of fraudulent votes were cast for Clinton.
Without any evidence at all.
Maybe he wants to keep the Angry People whipped up in a frenzy.
Maybe he wants to create the illusion of a mandate where none exists.
Maybe he wants to deligitimize political opposition and dissent. That is a particularly chilling thought.
But, bottom line, He has no intention of reaching out and being President of the other half of the People.
Last edited by Goose (11/28/2016 8:36 am)