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11/23/2016 2:36 pm  #1


Change on Torture

In a NYT interview Donald Trump reveals a change on his stance regarding torture.

On torture

“It’s not going to make the kind of a difference that maybe a lot of people think. If it’s so important to the American people, I would go for it. I would be guided by that. But General Mattis found it to be very less important, much less important than I thought he would say. I thought he would say — you know he’s known as Mad Dog Mattis, right? Mad Dog for a reason. I thought he’d say ‘It’s phenomenal, don’t lose it.’ He actually said, ‘No, give me some cigarettes and some drinks, and we’ll do better.’”

Back in February, when he was still a candidate, Mr. Trump said definitively that torture was effective. “Don’t tell me it doesn’t work — torture works,” he told an audience in South Carolina. “O.K., folks? Torture, you know, half these guys: ‘Torture doesn’t work.’ Believe me, it works. O.K.?”

So Mr. Trump’s answer on Tuesday offered a revealing insight into his willingness to shift or rethink a position, especially after talking with someone he respects. Gen. James N. Mattis may well be Mr. Trump’s secretary of defense, and his rejection of torture clearly had an effect on the president-elect.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us/politics/your-guide-to-most-important-quotes-times-trump-interview.html?hpw&rref=politics&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

11/23/2016 2:55 pm  #2


Re: Change on Torture

I think Mattis is right. You want to know a secret from me, beer and cigarettes will probably get me to spill the beans. 


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

11/23/2016 2:57 pm  #3


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 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
 

11/23/2016 2:59 pm  #4


Re: Change on Torture

Common Sense wrote:

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We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
     Thread Starter
 

11/23/2016 3:04 pm  #5


Re: Change on Torture

TheLagerLad wrote:

I think Mattis is right. You want to know a secret from me, beer and cigarettes will probably get me to spill the beans. 

I think that it's great that the commander in chief will not, after all, be pressuring our armed forces to commit war crimes.
However, it's only fair to note that the applause line promises from Trump rallies appear to be evaporating before ones eyes at quite a pace.
 


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
     Thread Starter
 

11/23/2016 3:06 pm  #6


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Goose wrote:

Common Sense wrote:

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 Take a guess? 


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
 

11/23/2016 3:09 pm  #7


Re: Change on Torture

Goose wrote:

TheLagerLad wrote:

I think Mattis is right. You want to know a secret from me, beer and cigarettes will probably get me to spill the beans. 

I think that it's great that the commander in chief will not, after all, be pressuring our armed forces to commit war crimes.
However, it's only fair to note that the applause line promises from Trump rallies appear to be evaporating before ones eyes at quite a pace.
 

And? Trump is President elect and Hillary is not. It's been a really good two weeks.
Who cares about applause lines now?


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
 

11/23/2016 3:10 pm  #8


Re: Change on Torture

Common Sense wrote:

Goose wrote:

TheLagerLad wrote:

I think Mattis is right. You want to know a secret from me, beer and cigarettes will probably get me to spill the beans. 

I think that it's great that the commander in chief will not, after all, be pressuring our armed forces to commit war crimes.
However, it's only fair to note that the applause line promises from Trump rallies appear to be evaporating before ones eyes at quite a pace.
 

And? Trump is President elect and Hillary is not. It's been a really good two weeks.
Who cares about applause lines now?

So, you don't care if Trump actually intends to do the things that he promised.
Brilliant.
It does confirm a theory that I have about the Trumpers 
 

Last edited by Goose (11/23/2016 3:13 pm)


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
     Thread Starter
 

11/23/2016 3:11 pm  #9


Re: Change on Torture

Common Sense wrote:

Goose wrote:

Common Sense wrote:

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 Take a guess? 

I guess that it's a picture of the General.
What on earth does it have to do with the topic we are discussing? 
And, is there something in your eye?
 


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
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11/23/2016 3:12 pm  #10


Re: Change on Torture

Trump will back track on alot of the stuff he promised.  Wait and see.

 

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