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11/21/2016 5:36 am  #1


Nothing to See Here

Nope.
It's just Godwin's law. Some nut making outrageous comparisons to the nazis.
Or a smear by The Left. Yea, that must be it !

From the Alt-Right Convention that just concluded in Washington:





Alt-Right Exults in Donald Trump’s Election With a Salute: ‘Heil Victory’


WASHINGTON —

By the time Richard B. Spencer, the leading ideologue of the alt-right movement and the final speaker of the night, rose to address a gathering of his followers on Saturday, the crowd was restless.

In 11 hours of speeches and panel discussions in a federal building named after Ronald Reagan a few blocks from the White House, a succession of speakers had laid out a harsh vision for the future, but had denounced violence and said that Hispanic citizens and black Americans had nothing to fear. Earlier in the day, Mr. Spencer himself had urged the group to start acting less like an underground organization and more like the establishment.

But now his tone changed as he began to tell the audience of more than 200 people, mostly young men, what they had been waiting to hear. He railed against Jews and, with a smile, quoted Nazi propaganda in the original German. America, he said, belonged to white people, whom he called the “children of the sun,” a race of conquerors and creators who had been marginalized but now, in the era of President-elect Donald J. Trump, were “awakening to their own identity.”

As he finished, several audience members had their arms outstretched in a Nazi salute. When Mr. Spencer, or perhaps another person standing near him at the front of the room — it was not clear who — shouted, “Heil the people! Heil victory,” the room shouted it back.
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But as the night wore on and most reporters had gone home, the language changed.

Mr. Spencer’s after-dinner speech began with a polemic against the “mainstream media,” before he briefly paused. “Perhaps we should refer to them in the original German?” he said.

The audience immediately screamed back, “Lügenpresse,” reviving a Nazi-era word that means “lying press.”

Mr. Spencer suggested that the news media had been critical of Mr. Trump throughout the campaign in order to protect Jewish interests. He mused about the political commentators who gave Mr. Trump little chance of winning.

“One wonders if these people are people at all, or instead soulless golem,” he said, referring to a Jewish fable about the golem, a clay giant that a rabbi brings to life to protect the Jews.

Mr. Trump’s election, Mr. Spencer said, was “the victory of will,” a phrase that echoed the title of the most famous Nazi-era propaganda film. But Mr. Spencer then mentioned, with a smile, Theodor Herzl, the Zionist leader who advocated a Jewish homeland in Israel, quoting his famous pronouncement, “If we will it, it is no dream.”

The United States today, Mr. Spencer said, had been turned into “a sick, corrupted society.” But it was not supposed to be that way.

“America was, until this last generation, a white country designed for ourselves and our posterity,” Mr. Spencer thundered. “It is our creation, it is our inheritance, and it belongs to us.”

But the white race, he added, is “a race that travels forever on an upward path.”

“To be white is to be a creator, an explorer, a conqueror,” he said.

More members of the audience were on their feet as Mr. Spencer described the choice facing white people as to “conquer or die.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/alt-right-salutes-donald-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

Last edited by Goose (11/21/2016 5:39 am)


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11/21/2016 5:37 am  #2


Re: Nothing to See Here

When people show you who they are, believe them.


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11/21/2016 7:35 am  #3


Re: Nothing to See Here

There are a number of ugly sides to America .... this is one of them. 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

11/21/2016 9:05 am  #4


Re: Nothing to See Here

Hard to tell how big this ugly movement will become

.We must remember that any oppression, any injustice, any hatred, is a wedge designed to attack our civilization.Franklin D. Roosevelt

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11/22/2016 7:42 am  #5


Re: Nothing to See Here

Some have complained that the NYT has a "fixation " on this story.

1. Steve Bannon is a prominent member of the alt right. He even bragged that he made it mainstream.
2. Now Bannon is a senior adviser to the new president.

So, when the alt right has a convention and it's filled with racism and nazi salutes, it raises serious questions.
In other words, I'd call that news.


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11/22/2016 7:57 am  #6


Re: Nothing to See Here

If you haven't seen the actual video of these scumbags and their leader, click here and scroll to the bottom of the article. 

I don't care what your political persuasion is, we should all be able to agree that these guys need to be stomped out today. 

 


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

11/22/2016 10:11 am  #7


Re: Nothing to See Here

I did see the video more than once in the news,  Rachel Maddox and Chris Matthews', shows who both reported on it during their shows last night.  About 200 Nazis praising/ giving their Heils to Trump.  Trump says nothing to disclaim any connection to the group.

 

11/22/2016 2:26 pm  #8


Re: Nothing to See Here

TheLagerLad wrote:

If you haven't seen the actual video of these scumbags and their leader, click here and scroll to the bottom of the article. 

I don't care what your political persuasion is, we should all be able to agree that these guys need to be stomped out today. 

 

I agree. And I think that it would be a great gesture for the President elect to lead the charge by forcefully, and publicly  calling out these fascists in detail.

Now, I can already hear the Trumpers. "Donald Trump has no control over these people. They are not typical of his supporters. Why should Trump have to apologize for them?"

I agree. Trump does not need to apologize for them. And, I'm not asking him to.
On the other hand, here's a guy who has the time to take SNL, and the cast of Hamilton to task for doing things that piss him off.
Surely he has the time to express outrage at the fact that a bunch of clowns are engaging in nazi salutes while chanting his name. 

Yes? 

Last edited by Goose (11/22/2016 2:27 pm)


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11/22/2016 3:02 pm  #9


Re: Nothing to See Here

Goose wrote:

TheLagerLad wrote:

If you haven't seen the actual video of these scumbags and their leader, click here and scroll to the bottom of the article. 

I don't care what your political persuasion is, we should all be able to agree that these guys need to be stomped out today. 

 

I agree. And I think that it would be a great gesture for the President elect to lead the charge by forcefully, and publicly  calling out these fascists in detail.

Now, I can already hear the Trumpers. "Donald Trump has no control over these people. They are not typical of his supporters. Why should Trump have to apologize for them?"

I agree. Trump does not need to apologize for them. And, I'm not asking him to.
On the other hand, here's a guy who has the time to take SNL, and the cast of Hamilton to task for doing things that piss him off.
Surely he has the time to express outrage at the fact that a bunch of clowns are engaging in nazi salutes while chanting his name. 

Yes? 

Hey, I believe in giving credit where credit is due.
This just in:


Donald Trump has repudiated the fringe "alt-right" group that celebrated his election win with Nazi salutes.
In a far-ranging interview with the New York Times, the US president-elect was quoted as saying: "I condemn them. I disavow, and I condemn."

He said he did not want to "energise" the group, which includes neo-Nazis, white nationalists and anti-Semites.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38069469


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