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11/09/2016 8:27 am  #1


The Day After - General Thoughts and Lessons Learned

If the storm doesn't kill me the government will
I've got to get that out of my head
It's a new day today and the coffee is strong
I've finally got some rest

So a man's put to task and challenges
I was taught to hold my head high
Collect what is mine,
Make the best of what today has

-R.E.M. "Houston"

Michael Stipe even had lyrics to turn to in the unlikely event of a Donald J. Trump presidency

Use this thread as a place for post election thoughts.


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

11/09/2016 8:49 am  #2


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Here's the best article I found so far this morning. It's from Erik Erickson of The Resurgent

An Open Letter to the Democrats

We have found common ground on much this election cycle in our shared opposition to Donald Trump. This morning we can find common ground on accepting Hillary Clinton is a genuinely terrible candidate.

Your opposition to Donald Trump came from your belief that he was too radically right and my opposition to Trump came because I belief he is not really a conservative. You and I will continue to disagree on much.

What you are experiencing right now is far more traumatic than what the GOP experienced in 2008. By the end, we knew McCain was toast because of his campaign suspension stunt, etc. This was, for you, close to our 2012, and you now, like us then, treated Nate Silver badly this time around. He was, again, more right than wrong.

But here’s the thing — in 2008, Republicans, myself included, freaked the hell out over Barack Obama getting elected. I said many terrible things I regret and for which I have apologized. Don’t be like I was then. The internet is even more forever now than it was then.

You wanted us to wish President Obama well then. I hope you will wish President Trump well now. I have always, even when I genuinely could not stand the man, respected President Obama as my President. I hope you will do the same with President Trump.

Our nation depends on our moving past disagreements and working together as Americans. Many of you said as much in the past week when you thought Trump would never win. I hope you will continue to believe it.

We are not always going to agree. Sometimes the fights will be intense. But at the end of the day we’re all Americans and we all have a vested interest in the success of our country.

This morning you expected to witness the break up of the GOP. I did too. Instead, we are watching your party implode. There but by the grace of God go I. I got much wrong in this election and a lot of it stemmed from failing to relate to those who are hurting most in our society. Instead of condemning them and labeling them all bigots and racists and deplorables, I hope you will try to relate to them, connect to them, and recognize their legitimate concerns as I must do too.

Don’t be who you think my side is. Behave as you wish we would. If I can model humility in the face of staggering wrongness over this election, I hope you can too. And remember, everything really is going to be okay.


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
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11/09/2016 8:58 am  #3


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I am remarkable calm even though I don't think Trump was the better person for the job. 

Here is why. 

Life goes on. People will go to work and much will go on as usual. 

There will NOT be 4 more years of hearings and GOP waste of times. They will actually have to do something (not holding my breath on THAT one). 

Mr Trump will now have to come through on all his promises which will in my estimation be hollow promises (like most candidates). 

I DO believe the tax cuts will likely pass because ALL Congressmen like to thought of as cutting taxes. This WILL help put some extra money in peoples pockets. Cutting business taxes will help them make more money, but the question is will it turn into more jobs. That remains to be seen. 

Trade is a real question mark. We will know MUCH SOONER than Breitex IF Mr Trump will be able to re-negotiate trade deals. The likelihood of it working - who knows. The likelihood of it disrupting the markets is pretty high. Protect yourself in how you are invested to minimize shock at least through mid next year. 

Commander in Chief is perhaps the scariest of all. Mr Trump has some very weird and scary ideas about this whole area. Can/does he have a plan to get of rid of ISIS quickly ? I don't think so. Does some of his ideas about nuclear weapons and proliferation raise the chance of nuclear conflicts - for sure. 

Draining the Swamp. Kind of a joke. Wait and see the people that populate the new administration. They are the same swamp dwellers we have had for years. Couple that with the fact that most Congressmen get re-elected. The swamp will be plenty full till WE decide to drain it. 

So all in all the good news is now the GOP will be forced to produce. The only really scary part at least for me is the Commander in Chief role as I have explained. 

Life goes on (we hope). 

 

Last edited by tennyson (11/09/2016 8:58 am)


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

11/09/2016 9:14 am  #4


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This nation, in it's relatively short history, has survived a revolution, a Civil War where 620,000 Americans died, two world wars, a sufferage struggle, a civil rights struggle, a struggle for LGBT rights, several economic depressions, and recessions.

We can survive Trump.


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
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11/09/2016 9:35 am  #5


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The market is up slightly at the open.

Would hate to be the guy selling in the pre-market when it was down 800 last night. 


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
     Thread Starter
 

11/09/2016 9:53 am  #6


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Well, I see things are rather calm here, no heads exploding. With all his flaws, the working people came out in droves to prevent the most corrupt, criminal candidate from becoming president. The Republicans can blame themselves for Trump being the nominee, his basic political platform and policy statements were in sync with the concerns with the working class. The Democrats can blame themselves for selecting a candidate who is so despised by so many people including a lot of Democrats. Then you can blame the MSM who threw away any objectivity and clearly showed they have a complete bias for Clinton. The working class is fed up with being lied to and swindled by the elites and came out to vote for the candidate who is the antitheses of that. While I won't hold my breath that the country will begin a new renaissances under Trump, I hope he's able to turn things around because under Hillary, I see a country run by an Al Capone type crime family.

 

11/09/2016 9:58 am  #7


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I wish I would have worked harder for Bernie Sanders.  That's all I have for now, but I hope he becomes the leader of the DNC.

As far as a Trump presidency, I have a feeling Pence will be doing alot behind the scenes to guide him along much like Cheney did for Bush.

I had no idea how much the election Barack Obama must have deeply pissed off and galvanized the under informed and under educated white males in this country.  A campaign filled with hate, anger, and fear worked.  That saddens me more than anything else.

 

11/09/2016 10:08 am  #8


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Well Fred, you had me until the last sentence. So, those who oppose Obama's policies are racists haters? I see where you're going with that. Add you and those like you who are to blame for Trump winning.

 

11/09/2016 10:12 am  #9


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I had no idea how much the election Barack Obama must have deeply pissed off and galvanized the under informed and under educated white males in this country.

One of the things Democrats and liberals are going to need to do to get back into the good graces of rural white males is to stop calling them under informed and under educated.

Early election results show that Clinton kicked ass in the cities. Didn't matter what part of the country.

But Trump won the suburbs and rural areas of the country. And won by a lot. 

So we're at a place now where the divide isn't between the north vs. south, or the coasts versus the heartland. It's urban vs. rural.

The Dems, if they want to have the white working class come back to them, are going to have to figure out a message that resonates with people outside of the big cities. 


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
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11/09/2016 10:19 am  #10


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TheLagerLad wrote:

I had no idea how much the election Barack Obama must have deeply pissed off and galvanized the under informed and under educated white males in this country.

One of the things Democrats and liberals are going to need to do to get back into the good graces of rural white males is to stop calling them under informed and under educated.

Early election results show that Clinton kicked ass in the cities. Didn't matter what part of the country.

But Trump won the suburbs and rural areas of the country. And won by a lot. 

So we're at a place now where the divide isn't between the north vs. south, or the coasts versus the heartland. It's urban vs. rural.

The Dems, if they want to have the white working class come back to them, are going to have to figure out a message that resonates with people outside of the big cities. 

Lager, this I can agree with.

 

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