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8/24/2016 7:56 pm  #11


Re: It's tough for Hillary to fight for the middle class...

Just Fred wrote:

I would say to simply compare the platforms of both tribes and support the one that best aligns with your perception of what's best for America, then vote for people from president on down that best reflexes your view.  There's alot more at stake than POTUS.
 

The point of the article Fred is that it is tough to buy Hillary's stated platform that she is for the middle class based on her other actions.

In my opinion, you have to do more than compare the platforms.  You have to decide if you believe and can trust what is being said to you in that platform.

 

8/24/2016 8:00 pm  #12


Re: It's tough for Hillary to fight for the middle class...

If only a middle class person can protect middle class interests, can only a black person advocate fair treatment of black people?

Where exactly are you going with this?

Actually, I think that platforms and policy positions are much more meaningful than are gotcha stories.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

8/24/2016 8:07 pm  #13


Re: It's tough for Hillary to fight for the middle class...

Between the two major partly candidates that are running ONLY Hillary has has actual claims to having done things for the benefit of average Americans including but not limited to children health care and womens rights. 

 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

8/24/2016 8:42 pm  #14


Re: It's tough for Hillary to fight for the middle class...

We have the best government money can buy.

We get what "they" pay for.


Life is an Orthros.
 

8/24/2016 8:47 pm  #15


Re: It's tough for Hillary to fight for the middle class...

Well, if you are a former first lady, US Senator and secretary of state, you are going to interact with some wealthy and powerful people.
This is unexpected? never happened before? Precludes working for justice?

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We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

8/24/2016 9:09 pm  #16


Re: It's tough for Hillary to fight for the middle class...

And further the Clinton Foundation has done enormous good around the world for the underprivileged. 

Here is the background on the foundation. After leaving the White House, President Clinton established the William J. Clinton Foundation, and today, the renamed Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation, works to improve global health and wellness, increase opportunity for girls and women, reduce childhood obesity, create economic opportunity and growth, and help communities address the effects of climate change. Today the Foundation has staff and volunteers around the world working to improve lives through several initiatives, including the independent Clinton Health Access Initiative, through which over 11.5 million people in more than 70 countries have access to CHAI-negotiated prices for HIV/AIDS medications. The Clinton Climate Initiative, the Clinton Development Initiative, the Clinton Foundation's Haiti team, and the Clinton Giustra Enterprise Partnership are applying a business-oriented approach to promote sustainable economic growth and to fight climate change worldwide and in Africa, Latin America, and the Caribbean. In the U.S., the Foundation is working to combat the alarming rise in childhood obesity and preventable disease through the Alliance for a Healthier Generation and the Clinton Health Matters Initiative. Established in 2005, the Clinton Global Initiative brings together global leaders to devise and implement innovative solutions to some of the world’s most pressing issues. So far, more than 3,500 Clinton Global Initiative commitments have improved the lives of over 430 million people in more than 180 countries.In addition to his Foundation work, President Clinton has joined with former President George H.W. Bush three times – after the 2004 tsunami in South Asia, Hurricane Katrina in 2005, and Hurricane Ike in 2008, and with President George W. Bush in Haiti in the aftermath of the 2010 earthquake. Today the Clinton Foundation supports economic growth, job creation, and sustainability in Haiti.

Yes, it is SO BAD that former Presidents Bush I and II joined the effort in support of what it does ! 

 

 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

8/24/2016 9:28 pm  #17


Re: It's tough for Hillary to fight for the middle class...

Who said the work done by the Clinton Foundation is bad?  The issue is not whether or not the Foundation does good work.  

What is questionable is the appearance that people who donated millions of dollars to the Foundation were given special access to her as Secretary of State, and thus whether or not she can claim she is fighting for the middle class.  The below is from the article in the other post about the Clinton Foundation:

Those planned changes would not affect more than 6,000 donors who have already provided the Clinton charity with more than $2 billion in funding since its creation in 2000.

"There's a lot of potential conflicts and a lot of potential problems," said Douglas White, an expert on nonprofits who previously directed Columbia University's graduate fundraising management program. "The point is, she can't just walk away from these 6,000 donors."

Former senior White House ethics officials said a Clinton administration would have to take careful steps to ensure that past foundation donors would not have the same access as she allowed at the State Department.

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8/24/2016 9:32 pm  #18


Re: It's tough for Hillary to fight for the middle class...

Ok, I read the article. 

Just what came out of any of the connections that amounts to a hill of beans ? 

 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

8/24/2016 9:35 pm  #19


Re: It's tough for Hillary to fight for the middle class...

Further, IF you want to use the Clinton Foundation to disrcredit Hillary's attempts to fight for the middle class you are ignoring the fact that the Foundation itself is aimed primarily at the middle and lower class worldwide. 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

8/24/2016 9:48 pm  #20


Re: It's tough for Hillary to fight for the middle class...

tennyson wrote:

Ok, I read the article. 

Just what came out of any of the connections that amounts to a hill of beans ? 

 

This excerpt below sounds very questionable to me (in terms of the money and access received):

Muhammad Yunus, a Bangladeshi economist who won the 2006 Nobel Peace Prize for pioneering low-interest "microcredit" for poor business owners, met with Clinton three times and talked with her by phone during a period when Bangladeshi government authorities investigated his oversight of a nonprofit bank and ultimately pressured him to resign from the bank's board. Throughout the process, he pleaded for help in messages routed to Clinton, and she ordered aides to find ways to assist him.

American affiliates of his nonprofit Grameen Bank had been working with the Clinton Foundation's Clinton Global Initiative programs as early as 2005, pledging millions of dollars in microloans for the poor. Grameen America, the bank's nonprofit U.S. flagship, which Yunus chairs, has given between $100,000 and $250,000 to the foundation — a figure that bank spokeswoman Becky Asch said reflects the institution's annual fees to attend CGI meetings. Another Grameen arm chaired by Yunus, Grameen Research, has donated between $25,000 and $50,000.

As a U.S. senator from New York, Clinton, as well as then-Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry and two other senators in 2007 sponsored a bill to award a congressional gold medal to Yunus. He got one but not until 2010, a year after Obama awarded him a Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Yunus first met with Clinton in Washington in April 2009. That was followed six months later by an announcement by USAID, the State Department's foreign aid arm, that it was partnering with the Grameen Foundation, a nonprofit charity run by Yunus, in a $162 million commitment to extend its microfinance concept abroad. USAID also began providing loans and grants to the Grameen Foundation, totaling $2.2 million over Clinton's tenure.

By September 2009, Yunus began complaining to Clinton's top aides about what he perceived as poor treatment by Bangladesh's government. His bank was accused of financial mismanagement of Norwegian government aid money — a charge that Norway later dismissed as baseless. But Yunus told Melanne Verveer, a long-time Clinton aide who was an ambassador-at-large for global women's issues, that Bangladesh officials refused to meet with him and asked the State Department for help in pressing his case.

"Please see if the issues of Grameen Bank can be raised in a friendly way," he asked Verveer. Yunus sent "regards to H" and cited an upcoming Clinton Global Initiative event he planned to attend.

Clinton ordered an aide: "Give to EAP rep," referring the problem to the agency's top east Asia expert.

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