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Re: Farmers skeptical of Wolf’s tax plan
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Good points.
People should keep something in mind. There's no magic here. They are still going to raise the same amount of money from the people of Pennsylvania.
And any piece of legislation thatchanges how revenue is raised is going to create winners and losers.
Exactly !
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From PTCA
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At the conclusion of Wednesday night's meeting in Lehighton a fiftyish man with weathered, obviously hard-working hands and a distressed appearance came to me to ask about the possibility of passage of HB/SB 76. He explained that he is working a farm that belonged to his grandfather but he now fears that he will have no choice but to sell the property because of the six thousand dollar school property tax load that he can no longer afford. Because of his demeanor and the story of his plight I simply cannot express how sorry I felt for this man.
Unfortunately, his is a story I have heard many times when I have given the presentation. A woman in Monroe County told me how her father, a Christmas tree farmer, has sold thirty of his forty acres over the past ten years because he cannot afford the property taxes and, consequently, has been essentially driven out of business. Similarly, a young Amish farmer from Lancaster County related how he desperately wants to continue to farm the property that has been in his family for four generations but cannot see a future in the business because of the difficulty of paying the property taxes.
The antiquated and inequitable school property tax is devastating Pennsylvania’s largest and most important industry. For the sake of our farmers’ future and the preservation of this vital resource, we need to act quickly and decisively to end this burden.
See the article below from the New Castle News.
“Gov. Wolf’s tax plan ignores the fact that people need real relief through property tax elimination, not temporary reductions,” noted state Sen. Elder Vogel Jr.
Senator Vogel was not a co-sponsor of last session's SB 76 but his comments would seem to indicate that he might be willing to support the legislation now; this is an opportunity that we cannot ignore. Please send your thanks to Senator Vogel, ask him to please support SB 76, and tell him you saw his comment in this news article. His contact information is here:
Finally, here’s the newspaper account of the Lehighton SB 76 town hall. Even though the reporter said the attendance was about 100, the count from the volunteers was 150+. It was a GREAT meeting.
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Ok, lots of info here. If reducing or eliminating property taxation is the goal, who's got a better plan than the proposal by Governor Wolf? I'd like to hear about it.
House Bill 76 and Senate Bill 76, The Property Tax Independence Act
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Ok, lots of info here. If reducing or eliminating property taxation is the goal, who's got a better plan than the proposal by Governor Wolf? I'd like to hear about it.
My plan would be a dollar for dollar replacement. Scrap property taxes entirely, and replace them with income and/or sales tax, so that everyone with an income and who purchases things pays in, not just people who own or rent property. I don't know if any politicians have that plan. I hope they do, and I hope they fight for it.
Property tax 'relief' is a scam. We all found that out in the past with the casinos. We don't want to go down that road again.
Just like: House Bill 76 and Senate Bill 76, The Property Tax Independence Act!
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How long has 76 been out there?
We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists.
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How long has 76 been out there?
In many forms for years. It started under Samuel E. "Sam" Rohrer He introduced legislation that would eliminate school property taxes in Pennsylvania
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How long has 76 been out there?
In many forms for years. It started under Samuel E. "Sam" Rohrer He introduced legislation that would eliminate school property taxes in Pennsylvania
Why has there been so little success for those pushing 76?
We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists.
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How long has 76 been out there?
In many forms for years. It started under Samuel E. "Sam" Rohrer He introduced legislation that would eliminate school property taxes in Pennsylvania
Why has there been so little success for those pushing 76?
My guess is that they don't want to give up their bread and butter captive property owners who are forced to pay more and more and more every year.
If Tom Wolf's plan is the only alternative being considered, I would rather just keep what we have now, because under that plan, we will all pay A LOT more. We will pay higher income and sales tax, and local school boards will have property taxes jacked right back up to present levels and beyond in no time. I also find it fishy that Tom Wolf's home school district, Northeastern, is one of only two in York County that are projected to get the maximum allowed relief under his plan. The other one being York City, whose mayor happens to be his buddy. I'm in York Suburban school district, not a rich guy at all, average York County income, and my property tax relief would be a projected 22%, which we know won't even happen. This whole thing stinks. No thanks.
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In many forms for years. It started under Samuel E. "Sam" Rohrer He introduced legislation that would eliminate school property taxes in Pennsylvania
Why has there been so little success for those pushing 76?
My guess is that they don't want to give up their bread and butter captive property owners who are forced to pay more and more and more every year.
If Tom Wolf's plan is the only alternative being considered, I would rather just keep what we have now, because under that plan, we will all pay A LOT more. We will pay higher income and sales tax, and local school boards will have property taxes jacked right back up to present levels and beyond in no time. I also find it fishy that Tom Wolf's home school district, Northeastern, is one of only two in York County that are projected to get the maximum allowed relief under his plan. The other one being York City, whose mayor happens to be his buddy. I'm in York Suburban school district, not a rich guy at all, average York County income, and my property tax relief would be a projected 22%, which we know won't even happen. This whole thing stinks. No thanks.
Wouldn't wage earners be just as "captive" as well?
We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists.
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Re: Farmers skeptical of Wolf’s tax plan
Why has there been so little success for those pushing 76?
My guess is that they don't want to give up their bread and butter captive property owners who are forced to pay more and more and more every year.
If Tom Wolf's plan is the only alternative being considered, I would rather just keep what we have now, because under that plan, we will all pay A LOT more. We will pay higher income and sales tax, and local school boards will have property taxes jacked right back up to present levels and beyond in no time. I also find it fishy that Tom Wolf's home school district, Northeastern, is one of only two in York County that are projected to get the maximum allowed relief under his plan. The other one being York City, whose mayor happens to be his buddy. I'm in York Suburban school district, not a rich guy at all, average York County income, and my property tax relief would be a projected 22%, which we know won't even happen. This whole thing stinks. No thanks.Wouldn't wage earners be just as "captive" as well?
Sort of, yes, but the burden would be spread on ALL wage earners and spenders, not just those of us who own or rent property. A 20 year old with a job, living with their parents, would also pay, for example. Everyone who earns a wage and buys things would pay. Tom Wolf's plan will have everyone paying more, we know that. Nothing is perfect or entirely fair to everyone, that's just reality, but it would be a lot more fair and closer to perfect than what we have now, and magnitudes more fair than Tom Wolf's proposed scheme.
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