Goose wrote:

tennyson wrote:

What exact evidence do you believe they covered up ? 

Come now, a young man suffers a broken neck during a routine transport thru the streets of Baltimore.
Obviously he was subjected to a 'rough ride'.
 

It is not obvious at all.

1)  Freddie Gray had a pre-existing neck injury.   That is indisputable.
2)  He may have pounded his head against the van incessantly, as some prisoners are wont to do, either out of rage verging on excited delirium, or self-loathing (in plain words, a suicide attempt), or a desire to injure themselves so as to receive hospital treatment rather than the tank---and possibly file a lawsuit against the arresting agency for alleged "brutality."  

These are grounds for "reasonable doubt" leading to acquital.

Full disclosure:  Having spent several decades working closely with law enforcement for several decades I've seen prisoners bound their heads against car cages to the point of bleeding, and one who just about knocked himself unconsious.   Not from "rough riding".

Interesting. We have a study in contrasts here. In post 22 tarnation disagrees with me.  He explains his argument in a rational manner.  I may not agree with him but I do appreciate the fact that he's given the matter some thought, and that tarnation is willing to engage other posters in a respectful manner. A serious mind, and a true gentleman.
On the other hand, another individual, in post 23 jumps in to misstate  my argument in order to ridicule it and engages in activity that he himself labels as sarcasm. 
We have a Classic example of how to, and how not to, post.

I get it, The Man.
I get your need for sarcasm, and derision.
I understand .

The cops are the good guys.
Gray was a habitual petty criminal. And black.
So no one really cares if the cops push the boundaries because folks figure that gray really had it coming to him. It's the subtle racism that allows one to indulge in fantasies of physics and medicine.
Truth is, gray's life doesn't matter to most of us and we are willing to excuse his rough treatment and death as 'one of those things',

And, if someone disagrees we will indulge in sweeping generalizations about all arrests and sneer to ridicule that which we do not wish to hear. The opposing voice must be shouted down. And, if one's intellect is not up to the task, one resorts to sarcasm.
I understand fully the consequences of holding an unpopular opinion.


Not sarcasm.

Last edited by Goose (6/24/2016 7:18 am)

Bring on the abuse reports.
I do not appreciate my views being intentionally misrepresented, as they were in post 23, by a mendacious individual. Is it too much to expect that a poster express his point of view without twisting the other fellow's point of view?

I objected to the dishonesty. But, I wrote nothing obscene or offensive. I will not be a punching bag for those who cannot bear looking at an opinion that they do not wish to see.

Discussion, much like democracy, can be messy.

Last edited by Goose (6/24/2016 6:39 am)

Because it's a big country and racism isn't limited to Baltimore and poor policing isn't limited to the Baltimore police force.

Trayvon Martin seems like a million years ago. Ferguson seems like a million years ago.

Yes, one incident can trigger a revolution, but to focus specifically on one incident is to think small.

If we want to fix racism, inequality, and poverty, we need to focus on education, opportunity, and the economy. Smarter people tend to avoid the police. People with steady work tend to avoid the police. People with hope that they can improve their lot in life can have an outlook that keeps them away from drugs and crimes.

If we put our time and money into those things, we can lower the probability that there will be additional Freddie Gray incidents.
 

Goose wrote:

tennyson wrote:

What exact evidence do you believe they covered up ? 

Come now, a young man suffers a broken neck during a routine transport thru the streets of Baltimore.
Obviously he was subjected to a 'rough ride'.
The thing speaks for itself
 

Obviously then the judge either had to be biased or wrong-headed in his ruling if it were that simple to determine. 
 

Last edited by tennyson (6/24/2016 8:47 am)