I very much agree with you.

It always gets up my nose how people will loudly proclaim their right to own lethal weapons but carefully overlook the responsibility that comes with it.

People treat guns the same way they treat their f****** car keys or their cell phones, treat them like toys, treat them like fashion statements, treat them like political statements, treat them like everything but  a device designed to kill people.

Just Fred wrote:

I'm so pissed I can't see straight.  I'm ready to jettison the entire Second Amendment and start over.  Some guy walks into a nightclub and shoots 103 people and some yahoo tells me needs an assault weapon to protect his family?  Listen, pal, how about if some member of your freakin' family was in that nightclub, movie theater, shopping mall, church, school, concert, or wherever else.  Maybe you shouldn't let any member of your family out in public, sit in your basement all day and stroke your AR-15.

I'm done with this.  I really am.

Sorry for the rant.  Carry on. 

 
I don't understand the AR-15 reference.  An AR-15 is not an assault rifle.  It's a semi-auto rifle, like lots of other rifles and hand guns.

Perhaps Islam should stop teaching hatred toward those who don't think like they do? Maybe that is the answer?

tennyson wrote:

The Man wrote:

Just Fred wrote:

I'm so pissed I can't see straight.  I'm ready to jettison the entire Second Amendment and start over.  Some guy walks into a nightclub and shoots 103 people and some yahoo tells me needs an assault weapon to protect his family?  Listen, pal, how about if some member of your freakin' family was in that nightclub, movie theater, shopping mall, church, school, concert, or wherever else.  Maybe you shouldn't let any member of your family out in public, sit in your basement all day and stroke your AR-15.

I'm done with this.  I really am.

Sorry for the rant.  Carry on. 

 
I don't understand the AR-15 reference. An AR-15 is not an assault rifle. It's a semi-auto rifle, like lots of other rifles and hand guns.

Perhaps Islam should stop teaching hatred toward those who don't think like they do? Maybe that is the answer?

Maybe ALL religions should. 
 

 
Maybe, but especially the one religion whose followers commit terrorism in the name of their religion, Islam.

tennyson wrote:

The Man wrote:

tennyson wrote:

Maybe ALL religions should. 
 

 
Maybe, but especially the one religion whose followers commit terrorism in the name of their religion, Islam.

 
IMHO there is no "maybe" about it. 


 

 
Agreed.

The Man wrote:

Just Fred wrote:

I'm so pissed I can't see straight.  I'm ready to jettison the entire Second Amendment and start over.  Some guy walks into a nightclub and shoots 103 people and some yahoo tells me needs an assault weapon to protect his family?  Listen, pal, how about if some member of your freakin' family was in that nightclub, movie theater, shopping mall, church, school, concert, or wherever else.  Maybe you shouldn't let any member of your family out in public, sit in your basement all day and stroke your AR-15.

I'm done with this.  I really am.

Sorry for the rant.  Carry on. 

 
I don't understand the AR-15 reference. An AR-15 is not an assault rifle. It's a semi-auto rifle, like lots of other rifles and hand guns.

Perhaps Islam should stop teaching hatred toward those who don't think like they do? Maybe that is the answer?

The AR-15 "reference" is quite easy to understand, if one wishes to.
Rather than obfuscating the issue with a detour into semantics about whether the AR-15 is an assault rifle, assault weapon, or semi auto,,,,,, let's discuss the issue.

Early reports are that an AR-15 was used in this terrorist attack. Versions of the AR-15 were also used in the San Bernadino terrorist attack, the Colorado Planned Parenthood clinic terrorist attack, the Chattanooga  shooting (AK-47 style semi-auto), and in the Sandy Hook & Aurora madman attacks. Just a wild guess, but I bet that the terrorists in the Paris attacks did NOT use a Colt Peacemaker.

The AR-15 and other semi-automatic rifles, unlike a muzzle loading musket, or bolt action rifle, enable one to fire dozens of rounds per minute. Basically, one can fire as rapidly as one can pull a trigger. This feature makes the AR an ideal weapon, not for hunting (unless one expects to harvest 12 deer at a time), or even home defense,  but for mowing down dozens of people in a very short period of time. The AR-15 is a weapon suited for war. It was, in fact, developed to be used by the army.

Some people think that such weapons should be denied to criminals, those with extremist ideology, or ties to terrorist groups. Some think that the weapons should be removed from the civilian market altogether. 

And I know this. If I am in a restaurant and a terrorist attacks - whatever his motive might be - I'd rather he be armed with a pike than an AR-15. 
The reason should  be obvious. If it is not, then I can only conclude that one's judgment has been clouded by political considerations.

 I don't know how to remove the hate from the hearts of lunatics, or extremists of any creed. But we can hunt them down, and we can limit the firepower that they have access to.

What would others do? I see some condemnations of Islam here.
Is there some sort of plan at the end of that, or is it just generalized condemnation?

Any practical ideas on getting people to stop preaching hatred?


 

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