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4/03/2016 10:58 am  #1


NY Showdown Between Clinton & Sanders Is Personal

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2016/04/02/new-york-showdown-between-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-will-personal/aUtjf879UES7uvB9oLtiZL/story.html

In a race that continually tests Clinton’s aura of inevitability and reveals her vulnerabilities as a candidate, the state’s former US senator has to win the April 19 primary in New York to avoid a walloping psychological blow.Sanders’ move — opening an office just a healthy walk from Clinton’s national headquarters in an office high-rise in Brooklyn Heights — made the borough the symbolic center of a contest that underscores the competing forces in their tense rivalry.

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4/03/2016 12:33 pm  #2


Re: NY Showdown Between Clinton & Sanders Is Personal

The next thing you know they'll be tweeting salacious, unflattering pictures of their opponents spouses accompanied by some snide remarks.

Give me a break!

This stuff has nothing to do with the qualifications of the candidates or the 'calculated reasoning' for location of campaign office to gain some 'psychological advantage'.

This is just more media silliness.

 

4/03/2016 12:43 pm  #3


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What this does go to show is that the Democratic side is having issues of their own and things are starting to get heated between the Sanders and Clinton camps.

Like I have been saying all along, I think Clinton is going to have a hard time getting many of the Sanders supporters to come over and vote for her come time for the general election.  And the longer this goes on and if things become more heated, the more likely she will have trouble getting Sanders fervent supporters to turn out for her.

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4/03/2016 2:20 pm  #4


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"What this does go to show is that the Democratic side is having issues of their own and things are starting to get heated between the Sanders and Clinton camps."


That's like comparing luke warm Sanders & Clinton to scorched earth, burnt to a crisp, totally boiling over Drumpf & Damien's antics.

 

4/03/2016 2:27 pm  #5


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I think Clinton is going to have a hard time getting many of the Sanders supporters to come over and vote for her come time for the general election.  -  Brady

Maybe, Brady, but as a Sanders fan and supporter, when I look across the field to the other side, what are my choices?  For me, it's simple:  When the dust clears, I'm going to vote for whom I feel are the most progressive candidates on the local, state, and national election levels.

 

 

4/03/2016 2:36 pm  #6


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Where did I say they were comparable?  I am simply pointing out things are getting heated on the Dem side now, I never said it was as bad as the Republicans.

You seem to be inferring that it isn't worthy of discussing what is happening on the Dem side because the Republicans are a complete mess.

It appears to me the Dems have some issues of their own and I find that just as interesting as what is happening on the Republican side and thought it was worthy of discussion.  I find it kind of boring reading all the threads about Trump and the Republicans.

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4/03/2016 2:39 pm  #7


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Just Fred wrote:

I think Clinton is going to have a hard time getting many of the Sanders supporters to come over and vote for her come time for the general election.  -  Brady

Maybe, Brady, but as a Sanders fan and supporter, when I look across the field to the other side, what are my choices?  For me, it's simple:  When the dust clears, I'm going to vote for whom I feel are the most progressive candidates on the local, state, and national election levels.

 

As I said in the other thread, I think the Sanders supporters will break into 3 camps.  Either they will vote for Clinton, vote for Trump (if he is running in the general election) or not vote at all.  I think most will vote for Clinton, but I think there is a chance a larger segment than normal will either stay home since they are not normal voters or will go for Trump if he is running in the general election.

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4/03/2016 2:54 pm  #8


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Brady Bunch wrote:

Just Fred wrote:

I think Clinton is going to have a hard time getting many of the Sanders supporters to come over and vote for her come time for the general election.  -  Brady

Maybe, Brady, but as a Sanders fan and supporter, when I look across the field to the other side, what are my choices?  For me, it's simple:  When the dust clears, I'm going to vote for whom I feel are the most progressive candidates on the local, state, and national election levels.

 

As I said in the other thread, I think the Sanders supporters will break into 3 camps.  Either they will vote for Clinton, vote for Trump (if he is running in the general election) or not vote at all.  I think most will vote for Clinton, but I think there is a chance a larger segment than normal will either stay home since they are not normal voters or will go for Trump if he is running in the general election.

The Guardian has an article on that exact thing thIs March which is worth a read. They did a rather unscientific survey but also referenced an NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey conducted by Hart Research Associates as well which went into more depth. 

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/13/bernie-sanders-supporters-consider-donald-trump-no-hillary-clinton
 

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4/03/2016 5:44 pm  #9


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Well, if some Sanders supporters opt to vote for Trump over Clinton, then I would ask why the hell they would support Sanders in the first place.  Doesn't make sense.

 

4/03/2016 6:40 pm  #10


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I think the following paragraph from the article Tennyson linked explains why they would vote for Trump if Sanders isn't the nominee:

They explained their unconventional position by expressing a variety of passionately held views on their shared commitment for protecting workers and against new wars, on their zeal for an alternative to the establishment, and on their desire to support anyone but Hillary Clinton.

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