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3/02/2016 6:37 am  #1


The Party of Trump, and the Path Forward for Democrats

"Republicans are reaping the whirlwind right now, and Democrats should seize the chance to show Americans an alternative to Mr. Trump’s politics of rage, and an image of themselves to be proud of, not shrink from".



The Party of Trump, and the Path Forward for Democrats

By THE EDITORIAL BOARDMARCH 1, 2016  


The strength of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton in the Super Tuesday primary contests, evident before the first votes were cast, brings the 2016 presidential race to a point of reckoning. Not enough delegates were at stake to give either candidate a mathematical lock on a nomination, but voters can see the shape of the choice facing them in the general election.

The Republicans seem to be reeling, unable or unwilling to comprehend that a shady, bombastic liar is hardening the image of their party as a symbol of intolerance and division.

Last summer, as Mr. Trump began to rise in the polls, party leaders took umbrage at the idea that they’d have to do something to keep the nomination from the likes of him. They stood aside and said, let voters decide. Now voters are deciding. They are leaning, in unbelievable numbers, toward a man whose quest for the presidency revolves around targeting religious and racial minorities and people with disabilities, who flirts with white supremacists and the Ku Klux Klan, who ridicules and slanders those who disagree with him.

His opponents, meanwhile, have rushed to adopt his anger-filled message. It’s small wonder that Republican leaders don’t seem to know quite what to say.

“If a person wants to be the nominee of the Republican Party, there can be no evasion and no games,” House Speaker Paul Ryan said on Tuesday, after months of such games. He sounded naïvely unaware of the darker elements within the Republican Party, present for decades, and now holding sway: “This party does not prey on people’s prejudices. We appeal to their highest ideals. This is the party of Lincoln.”

The Republican Party is taking a big step toward becoming the party of Trump. Those who could challenge Mr. Trump — Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio — are not only to the right of Mr. Trump on many issues, but are embracing the same game of exclusion, bigotry and character assassination. That Mr. Rubio would make double entendres about the size of Mr. Trump’s hands and talk about Mr. Trump wetting his pants shows how much his influence has permeated this race and how willingly his rivals are copying his tactics.

There were opportunities to stop this, early on. Possessed of a crack team of researchers, the Republican Party did not turn its resources on investigating this man’s record of falsehoods and business failures. When struggling families worry that their children’s American dream will be obscured behind a mountain of college debt, even a passing reference to the scam that is Trump University would surely have resonated many months ago. It may now be too late to alter the course Mr. Trump has set, but Republican leaders would be derelict not to try.

On the Democratic side, Mrs. Clinton, who is pulling away in the contest with Bernie Sanders, should stick to the high ground. Say what one will about Mr. Sanders’s bid, he has run a campaign admirable in its restraint and positive ideals, no easy feat this year. Mrs. Clinton should continue to campaign on who she is and what she can do for middle-class Americans seeking leadership that reflects the best, not the worst, of political impulses.

Mr. Trump’s foul statements and shallow ideas can and should be exposed through detailed, dispassionate analysis and smart debate, approaches that would lift his opponent as they diminish him. Republicans are reaping the whirlwind right now, and Democrats should seize the chance to show Americans an alternative to Mr. Trump’s politics of rage, and an image of themselves to be proud of, not shrink from.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/opinion/the-party-of-trump-and-the-path-forward-for-democrats.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-abc-region&region=span-abc-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region&_r=0


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

3/02/2016 10:00 am  #2


Re: The Party of Trump, and the Path Forward for Democrats

Will the GOP be fractured permanently, or is this the last stand of the angry white voter?


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
     Thread Starter
 

3/02/2016 10:19 am  #3


Re: The Party of Trump, and the Path Forward for Democrats

I don't know, but I can tell you a lot of our friends (I'm 68) who were republicans over the years are still sticking with the Republican Party and even supporting Drumpf. They can't really explain why they like Drumpf other than saying things like: "he'll shake things up" or "he's a businessman" (they assume because of this, he'll solve all the fiscal problems), or "we need someone who speaks his mind".

Sheesh . . . Osama bin Ladin and Ted Kaczynski spoke their minds too and most people thought they were nuts. People that support Drumpf speak of him in nebulous terms because he has not delineated any clear, concise policies. He, or his supporters, are either geniuses or maniacs that are grasping at the last straw because they're so disgusted with the current state of politics in the U.S. So, in their scramble to drag us out of the political quicksand and the mire of partisan gridlock we've seen for the last couple of presidents, they're going to latch on to some big mouthed, abrasive, megalomaniac because 'he speaks his mind'?

Sorry . . . But I don't get that logic.

 

3/02/2016 10:31 am  #4


Re: The Party of Trump, and the Path Forward for Democrats

Rongone wrote:

I don't know, but I can tell you a lot of our friends (I'm 68) who were republicans over the years are still sticking with the Republican Party and even supporting Drumpf. They can't really explain why they like Drumpf other than saying things like: "he'll shake things up" or "he's a businessman" (they assume because of this, he'll solve all the fiscal problems), or "we need someone who speaks his mind".

Sheesh . . . Osama bin Ladin and Ted Kaczynski spoke their minds too and most people thought they were nuts. People that support Drumpf speak of him in nebulous terms because he has not delineated any clear, concise policies. He, or his supporters, are either geniuses or maniacs that are grasping at the last straw because they're so disgusted with the current state of politics in the U.S. So, in their scramble to drag us out of the political quicksand and the mire of partisan gridlock we've seen for the last couple of presidents, they're going to latch on to some big mouthed, abrasive, megalomaniac because 'he speaks his mind'?

Sorry . . . But I don't get that logic.

Read the Opinion piece I posted on what a Trump Presidency might mean to the markets and our finances in the US. 

http://theexchange.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?pid=13864#p13864

 

Last edited by tennyson (3/02/2016 10:33 am)


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

3/02/2016 10:31 am  #5


Re: The Party of Trump, and the Path Forward for Democrats

I, too, keep saying I don't get it.  Not at all as to why so many American voters think the Drumpf is good for America.  I keep asking too how would he behave when confronted by our lessor allies or by that sick, little twit in North Korea?  Would he stand before the U. N. General Council making a speech similar to those at some of his ragged, racist campaign rallies?  Are his supporters all unemployed or in low-paying jobs?  Are these the only kinds of voters who like this nut?  Rongone--are any of your friends who are supporters college educated and/or have good paying jobs?  I've never seen any demographics on the Dumpf's supporters.

 

3/02/2016 11:00 am  #6


Re: The Party of Trump, and the Path Forward for Democrats

It's a mix flower. Some of our old college friends, (and we went to a conservative, small, privately endowed college in Western PA, that had required chapel and required two semesters of religion to graduate) are backing Drumpf. We also have other friends that did not go to college or attended a couple of years that support him.

That goes against a lot of demographics (education & age primarily) I've heard and read. I just don't get the appeal, until I realize that a lot of people like the Kardashians, and Real Housewives, and Fox 'news' too.

 

3/02/2016 11:23 am  #7


Re: The Party of Trump, and the Path Forward for Democrats

tennyson wrote:

Rongone wrote:

I don't know, but I can tell you a lot of our friends (I'm 68) who were republicans over the years are still sticking with the Republican Party and even supporting Drumpf. They can't really explain why they like Drumpf other than saying things like: "he'll shake things up" or "he's a businessman" (they assume because of this, he'll solve all the fiscal problems), or "we need someone who speaks his mind".

Sheesh . . . Osama bin Ladin and Ted Kaczynski spoke their minds too and most people thought they were nuts. People that support Drumpf speak of him in nebulous terms because he has not delineated any clear, concise policies. He, or his supporters, are either geniuses or maniacs that are grasping at the last straw because they're so disgusted with the current state of politics in the U.S. So, in their scramble to drag us out of the political quicksand and the mire of partisan gridlock we've seen for the last couple of presidents, they're going to latch on to some big mouthed, abrasive, megalomaniac because 'he speaks his mind'?

Sorry . . . But I don't get that logic.

Read the Opinion piece I posted on what a Trump Presidency might mean to the markets and our finances in the US. 

http://theexchange.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?pid=13864#p13864




 

 


I read that and other articles about the prognosticated fiscal fallout of a Drumpf presidency and it does concern me. First of all, I feel his 'Foreign policy' of bullying and insulting will have an extremely negative effect on our standing in the rest of the world, both from an economic and political influence standpoint.

His 'domestic fiscal plan' just doesn't make sense: universal healthcare, lowering tax rates, increased military spending, building walls, ending corporate welfare, etc. are all ill defined programs with no specifics concerning how one can both increase spending and cut income without impacting the markets and government fiscal solvency is a mystery.

But that's how Drumpf has run his entire campaign . . . dog whistle phrasing of 'to do' lists with absolutely no detail on exactly how he's going to pull off his nonsensical programs.

It's frightening. I have concerns for the country's economic well being as well as my personal retirement savings if Drumpf becomes president. At this point, I continue to hope that voters come to their senses and reject this two faced, loud mouth, bullying, megalomaniac, billionaire, reality show host as a serious contender for president.

 

3/02/2016 1:55 pm  #8


Re: The Party of Trump, and the Path Forward for Democrats

Interesting tidbit:

8 of the 11 primaries and caucuses yesterday were "open", meaning anyone could come and vote for the candidate of their choice, regardless of party affiliation or independent status.

Three were not. Those states were:

The Oklahoma primary and the Minnesota and Alaska caucuses.

In those states with elections only open to registered GOP voters, Rubio (MN) and Cruz (TX, AK) won.

Almost all of the primaries going forward are closed primaries. I think it will be very interesting to see if Trump's success carries forward now that the polls are limited to party loyalists.

Last edited by TheLagerLad (3/02/2016 1:55 pm)


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

3/02/2016 4:04 pm  #9


Re: The Party of Trump, and the Path Forward for Democrats

To me this news is encouraging but there's still a long way to go.

 

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