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2/20/2016 1:56 pm  #1


Donald Trump in Triage Mode After Shocking Conservatives

Donald Trump in Triage Mode After Shocking Conservatives With Health Care Comments


He has broken with many Republicans on taxing the rich, threatening trade wars and keeping Planned Parenthood alive. On Friday, Donald J. Trump faced criticism for an even bolder act of conservative heresy: embracing the core tenet of the Affordable Care Act.

Mr. Trump has to date offered only bits and pieces of his health agenda, generally presenting a vow to repeal “Obamacare” and replace it with “something great.”

In a town-hall meeting hosted by CNN on Thursday night, he shared some more expansive views on the subject, and unlike most Republicans he did not call for removing the individual mandate that requires Americans to have health insurance.

Asked how people with pre-existing medical conditions would purchase insurance if the health law and the mandate were eliminated, Mr. Trump said, “I like the mandate.”

“So here’s where I’m a little bit different,” he continued. “I don’t want people dying on the streets.”


Less than 24 hours later, Mr. Trump backed away from his remarks, proclaiming himself to be the fiercest opponent of the health law. It was the latest example of a candidate who has been impervious to inconsistencies again emerging unscathed from a misstep that would probably be damaging to anyone else.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/20/us/politics/donald-trump-in-triage-mode-after-shocking-conservatives-with-health-care-comments.html?action=click&contentCollection=us&module=NextInCollection&region=Footer&pgtype=article&version=newsevent&rref=collection%2Fnews-event%2Felection-2016


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

2/20/2016 3:10 pm  #2


Re: Donald Trump in Triage Mode After Shocking Conservatives

Ok, let's get nuts.

 

2/20/2016 3:57 pm  #3


Re: Donald Trump in Triage Mode After Shocking Conservatives

Yea, there are no maps of where we are right now


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
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2/20/2016 4:18 pm  #4


Re: Donald Trump in Triage Mode After Shocking Conservatives

It's easy for The Donald to hide two faces under all that hair. I'll bet he can spin his head around 360 degrees on his neck like Regan in The Exorcist.

Or, he could just remove all or part of his face when changing positions:


http://FunnyOrDie.com/m/a84j?_ccid=a4ba7d924a93831a&_cc=__tb_l

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2/20/2016 4:45 pm  #5


Re: Donald Trump in Triage Mode After Shocking Conservatives

I think we can call him the "Teflon Don", as he can insult anyone, say anything that the R-tribe hardliners disagree with and STILL maintain his lead ! 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

2/20/2016 8:10 pm  #6


Re: Donald Trump in Triage Mode After Shocking Conservatives

Trump shocked conservatives right into giving him a win in South Carolina. 

Here's a good article worth reading.....

How a Trump win in South Carolina could tear the GOP apart

In last Saturday's GOP debate in South Carolina, Donald Trump took his disruptive tactics to a whole new level, laying into Jeb Bush and accusing his brother, former President George W. Bush, not just of invading Iraq for no good reason and ineptly managing the occupation of the country, but of intentionally lying to justify the war in the first place. In Trump's telling, Saddam Hussein didn't possess weapons of mass destruction, Dubya knew it, and he hyped the threat to justify a war he wanted to initiate for unrelated reasons. That's long been a trope of far-left conspiracy theorists and dismissed by mainstream Democrats and Republicans alike. Yet there was the frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination leveling that charge from center stage of a nationally televised GOP debate.

Conservative pundits understood instantly the gravity of what they were witnessing. If a Republican candidate for president could win a primary in a deeply conservative Southern state after such an outburst, it would be the strongest evidence yet that the conservative movement had lost control of the party — that a significant bloc of its voters is ready and willing to repudiate the movement and the ideas that have defined it for several decades.

That's what's going to be tested this Saturday in South Carolina. A dominating victory by Trump, which most polls are predicting, will not only strongly indicate that he's likely either to win the nomination or prevent the nomination of anyone else prior to the GOP convention this summer. It will also portend a tumultuous future for the Republican Party, regardless of who ends up as the nominee in 2016. A party with such a large bloc of voters who diverge so sharply from the party's organizing ideology is either a party that will need to significantly change its ideological direction — or one on the verge of breaking apart.

Whether this is in fact what's in store for the Republican Party will be clarified as never before once the results in South Carolina roll in. And despite the occasional outlier poll, there is ample reason to think the outcome is going to be highly destabilizing to the current ideological configuration of the GOP, with Trump once again besting his rivals

The reasons why are increasingly clear. My colleague Michael Brendan Dougherty explored some of them earlier this week. The white working-class base of the party has been devastated by stagnating wages, globalization and de-industrialization, and various forms of social and cultural breakdown. And through it all the Republican Party has offered little beyond tax cuts for the wealthy and stern, moralistic reprimands ("Stop whining and get a job!"). That's hardly a strategy inclined to generate long-term loyalty and enthusiasm for the party.

But that's just the beginning.

Judged by any objective standard, the Republican Party's record of governance over the past 16 years has been dismal. The largest and deadliest terrorist attack in American history took place with a Republican in the White House. He started two wars in response. The first failed for years to achieve its most immediate goal (capturing or killing Osama bin Laden) and dragged on for well over a decade, producing a deeply muddled outcome.

The second war was far more controversial. It failed to turn up the weapons that were the proximal cause of the conflict; sparked an insurgency that killed and maimed thousands of American soldiers; killed, maimed and displaced hundreds of thousands of Iraqis; and spawned groups (al Qaeda in Iraq, which later became the Islamic State and its affiliates) that now radiate destabilizing violence throughout the Middle East, North Africa, and South Asia, with carnage occasionally reaching as far as France and California.

Meanwhile, the same Republican president pushed through two massive tax cuts that mostly benefited the wealthy, inspired only modest economic growth, and did little to buoy middle-class wages. He then presided over the most severe economic crisis and collapse in seven decades.

That's an awful lot to answer for. But not even this record filled with ample doses of bad luck, missteps, and outright mistakes gets at the deepest source of present-day dissent within the GOP — which is the response of the party and its conservative-movement cheerleaders to these mistakes and missteps.

We typically think of ideology as a web of policies and the arguments that are used to justify them. But ideologies can also shape tactics. And the fact is that for much of the past generation the GOP has been in the grip of a tactical ideology of willful stubbornness. It goes like this: We believe X will produce a positive outcome of Y. If X fails to produce Y, it must be the fault of some outside force (like the Democrats). Or perhaps it didn't work out because we didn't pursue X strongly enough. So we must double-down, triple-down, quadruple-down.

Within the party's establishment, the unwillingness ever to concede an error, rethink a policy commitment, or adjust an item on the agenda feels like a show of strength, tenacity, and resolution that will always be rewarded by voters who supposedly crave flamboyant displays of toughness. But from the outside, it can look like blind obstinance, rank stupidity, a cowardly denial of reality, and an unwillingness to shoulder a rightful share of the blame.

Which brings us back to Trump.

What voters hear when he rails against the stupidity of the country's political leadership, the incompetence of George W. Bush, and what he likes to call the complete disaster of American policy in Iraq and the broader Middle East is a man willing both to face the ugly truth that they themselves perceive and to call out those who refuse to acknowledge it. If he gets a little carried away in countenancing some unsavory conspiracy theories, that's a forgivable offense. Certainly more forgivable than Republicans failing to take even the least bit of responsibility for what they've done, and failed to do, while holding positions of power.

On Saturday night in South Carolina, we'll see how many Republican voters are willing to give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt — all for the sake of telling the party's leadership just how unwilling they are to continue extending the same benefit to them.


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

2/20/2016 8:25 pm  #7


Re: Donald Trump in Triage Mode After Shocking Conservatives

Conservatives embrace the individual mandate, and declare the Iraq war a mistake.
I'm feeling more comfortable with president trump all the time!.
 


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
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2/20/2016 9:57 pm  #8


Re: Donald Trump in Triage Mode After Shocking Conservatives

Newton's Third Law of Motion applies to politics.

Four years of Jimmy Carter led to Ronald Reagan.

Eight years of Bush 43 led to Obama.

Eight years of Obama may well lead to Donald Trump.

The pendulum swings as the world turns.


Life is an Orthros.
 

2/21/2016 6:11 am  #9


Re: Donald Trump in Triage Mode After Shocking Conservatives

Perhaps so. What Trump believes and what he might actually do as President seems less important to voters than that he give a figurative middle finger to the established order.

Some people are going to wake up some November morning and say OMG, what have I done?


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
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