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2/19/2016 1:17 pm  #1


Bernie Sanders vs Bill Clinton

Could someone please explain to me what Sanders hopes to gain in his campaign by damning everything Bill Clinton did while in office?  Is he actually after Hilliary even though she was not the president during those years?  I heard him in that so-called town meeting last night go on and on about the evils of the Clinton presidency and I'm asking myself what the hell is this all about. 
 

 

2/19/2016 1:20 pm  #2


Re: Bernie Sanders vs Bill Clinton

I guess in politics it is "guilt by association". 

Works sometime and sometimes it backfires. They say politics is a contact sport and in many cases it is true. The GOP is certainly proving it this year. The D-tribe has been rather tame in comparison. 

 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

2/19/2016 1:24 pm  #3


Re: Bernie Sanders vs Bill Clinton

That's an interesting question.
I'm guessing that he's playing guilt by association. In a sense it's fair game as Hillary was no traditional first Lady. Not quite a co-president, but much more than than a decorative fixture. Hillary even cites her experiences as part of her resume.

But, boy Sanders is hoping that people have a selective memory of the Clinton years. Sure, there was the national embarrassment of the Lewinsky afair. But there was also the working with a republican congress to get a balanced budget, there was welfare reform, taking on the mess in the Balkans. Heck, my pension plan has never, ever performed as well as it did during the  Clinton years! They can start the revolution without me.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

2/19/2016 1:28 pm  #4


Re: Bernie Sanders vs Bill Clinton

flowergirl wrote:

Could someone please explain to me what Sanders hopes to gain in his campaign by damning everything Bill Clinton did while in office?  Is he actually after Hilliary even though she was not the president during those years?  I heard him in that so-called town meeting last night go on and on about the evils of the Clinton presidency and I'm asking myself what the hell is this all about. 
 

Sanders is making some strategy mistakes. What has made him so good through Iowa and New Hampshire is that he is stayed on his message. He's made the message more important than the messenger which is the exact opposite of the Clinton campaign. Pay attention to their campaign speeches. With Sanders, you hear a lot of "we". With Hillary, you hear a lot of "I". 

So focusing on Bill Clinton, or Hillary Clinton's gender, or anything outside of his core message will end up hurting him in the short and long run. Because Bernie isn't smooth enough to work through any gaffes or mistakes.


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

2/19/2016 2:10 pm  #5


Re: Bernie Sanders vs Bill Clinton

He had harsh thing to say about Bill Clinton because Bill was trashing Sanders.

If Sanders gets a big turn out in Nevada  he will beat Hillery. Sanders has closed in and my bet passed Clinton now.  If Hillary loses the nastiness is just starting. 


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
 

2/19/2016 2:11 pm  #6


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Common Sense wrote:

He had harsh thing to say about Bill Clinton because Bill was trashing Sanders.

If Sanders gets a big turn out in Nevada  he will beat Hillery. Sanders has closed in and my bet passed Clinton now.  If Hillary loses the nastiness is just starting. 

Nah, I think Hillary wins Nevada. Something close. Probably 52-48 or something like that.


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

2/19/2016 2:22 pm  #7


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TheLagerLad wrote:

Common Sense wrote:

He had harsh thing to say about Bill Clinton because Bill was trashing Sanders.

If Sanders gets a big turn out in Nevada  he will beat Hillery. Sanders has closed in and my bet passed Clinton now.  If Hillary loses the nastiness is just starting. 

Nah, I think Hillary wins Nevada. Something close. Probably 52-48 or something like that.

It will be fun to watch. You are probably right but lets see?
 


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
 

2/19/2016 2:43 pm  #8


Re: Bernie Sanders vs Bill Clinton

TheLagerLad wrote:

flowergirl wrote:

Could someone please explain to me what Sanders hopes to gain in his campaign by damning everything Bill Clinton did while in office?  Is he actually after Hilliary even though she was not the president during those years?  I heard him in that so-called town meeting last night go on and on about the evils of the Clinton presidency and I'm asking myself what the hell is this all about. 
 

Sanders is making some strategy mistakes. What has made him so good through Iowa and New Hampshire is that he is stayed on his message. He's made the message more important than the messenger which is the exact opposite of the Clinton campaign. Pay attention to their campaign speeches. With Sanders, you hear a lot of "we". With Hillary, you hear a lot of "I". 

So focusing on Bill Clinton, or Hillary Clinton's gender, or anything outside of his core message will end up hurting him in the short and long run. Because Bernie isn't smooth enough to work through any gaffes or mistakes.

I think that Sanders also is making a mistake in criticizing the last two democratic presidents while running for the democratic nomination. How does that work?
Well, Bernie's only been a democrat for about a half hour now. 


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

2/19/2016 4:33 pm  #9


Re: Bernie Sanders vs Bill Clinton

Goose wrote:

TheLagerLad wrote:

flowergirl wrote:

Could someone please explain to me what Sanders hopes to gain in his campaign by damning everything Bill Clinton did while in office?  Is he actually after Hilliary even though she was not the president during those years?  I heard him in that so-called town meeting last night go on and on about the evils of the Clinton presidency and I'm asking myself what the hell is this all about. 
 

Sanders is making some strategy mistakes. What has made him so good through Iowa and New Hampshire is that he is stayed on his message. He's made the message more important than the messenger which is the exact opposite of the Clinton campaign. Pay attention to their campaign speeches. With Sanders, you hear a lot of "we". With Hillary, you hear a lot of "I". 

So focusing on Bill Clinton, or Hillary Clinton's gender, or anything outside of his core message will end up hurting him in the short and long run. Because Bernie isn't smooth enough to work through any gaffes or mistakes.

I think that Sanders also is making a mistake in criticizing the last two democratic presidents while running for the democratic nomination. How does that work?
Well, Bernie's only been a democrat for about a half hour now. 

I'm not a fan of the whole "Bernie's not a Democrat" argument because it just shows the limits of the two party system.

I mean Bernie was mainstream enough to become a US Senator, but just because he doesn't suck at the teat of one of the two national parties, that makes him somehow unqualified to attempt a run for president?

And with the parties making it damn near impossible to get on a ballot as an independent or third party candidate in many states, someone like Bernie is forced to align himself with one of the two national parties. In this case, he's just closer to the Democrats.
 


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

2/19/2016 4:50 pm  #10


Re: Bernie Sanders vs Bill Clinton

Great responses to my question.  Thanks to one & all. 

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