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3/03/2015 8:01 am  #1


Hillary Clinton Used Personal Email Account at State Dept.

Hillary Clinton Used Personal Email Account at State Dept., Possibly Breaking Rules



WASHINGTON — Hillary Rodham Clinton exclusively used a personal email account to conduct government business as secretary of state, State Department officials said, and may have violated federal requirements that officials’ correspondence be retained as part of the agency’s record.

Mrs. Clinton did not have a government email address during her four-year tenure at the State Department. Her aides took no actions to have her personal emails preserved on department servers at the time, as required by the Federal Records Act.

It was only two months ago, in response to a new State Department effort to comply with federal record-keeping practices, that Mrs. Clinton’s advisers reviewed tens of thousands of pages of her personal emails and decided which ones to turn over to the State Department. All told, 55,000 pages of emails were given to the department. Mrs. Clinton stepped down from the secretary’s post in early 2013.

Her expansive use of the private account was alarming to current and former National Archives and Records Administration officials and government watchdogs, who called it a serious breach.

“It is very difficult to conceive of a scenario — short of nuclear winter — where an agency would be justified in allowing its cabinet-level head officer to solely use a private email communications channel for the conduct of government business,” said Jason R. Baron, a lawyer at Drinker Biddle & Reath who is a former director of litigation at the National Archives and Records Administration.

A spokesman for Mrs. Clinton, Nick Merrill, defended her use of the personal email account and said she has been complying with the “letter and spirit of the rules.”

Under federal law, however, letters and emails written and received by federal officials, such as the secretary of state, are considered government records and are supposed to be retained so that congressional committees, historians and members of the news media can find them. There are exceptions to the law for certain classified and sensitive materials.

Mrs. Clinton is not the first government official — or first secretary of state — to use a personal email account on which to conduct official business. But her exclusive use of her private email, for all of her work, appears unusual, Mr. Baron said. The use of private email accounts is supposed to be limited to emergencies, experts said, such as when an agency’s computer server is not working.

“I can recall no instance in my time at the National Archives when a high-ranking official at an executive branch agency solely used a personal email account for the transaction of government business,” said Mr. Baron, who worked at the agency from 2000 to 2013.

Regulations from the National Archives and Records Administration at the time required that any emails sent or received from personal accounts be preserved as part of the agency’s records.

But Mrs. Clinton and her aides failed to do so.

How many emails were in Mrs. Clinton’s account is not clear, and neither is the process her advisers used to determine which ones related to her work at the State Department before turning them over.

“It’s a shame it didn’t take place automatically when she was secretary of state as it should have,” said Thomas S. Blanton, the director of the National Security Archive, a group based at George Washington University that advocates government transparency. “Someone in the State Department deserves credit for taking the initiative to ask for the records back. Most of the time it takes the threat of litigation and embarrassment.”

Mr. Blanton said high-level officials should operate as President Obama does, emailing from a secure government account, with every record preserved for historical purposes.

“Personal emails are not secure,” he said. “Senior officials should not be using them.”

Penalties for not complying with federal record-keeping requirements are rare, because the National Archives has few enforcement abilities.

Mr. Merrill, the spokesman for Mrs. Clinton, declined to detail why she had chosen to conduct State Department business from her personal account. He said that because Mrs. Clinton had been sending emails to other State Department officials at their government accounts, she had “every expectation they would be retained.” He did not address emails that Mrs. Clinton may have sent to foreign leaders, people in the private sector or government officials outside the State Department.

The revelation about the private email account echoes longstanding criticisms directed at both the former secretary and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, for a lack of transparency and inclination toward secrecy.

And others who, like Mrs. Clinton, are eyeing a candidacy for the White House are stressing a very different approach. Jeb Bush, who is seeking the Republican nomination for president, released a trove of emails in December from his eight years as governor of Florida.

It is not clear whether Mrs. Clinton’s private email account included encryption or other security measures, given the sensitivity of her diplomatic activity.

Mrs. Clinton’s successor, Secretary of State John Kerry, has used a government email account since taking over the role, and his correspondence is being preserved contemporaneously as part of State Department records, according to his aides.

Before the current regulations went into effect, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, who served from 2001 to 2005, used personal email to communicate with American officials and ambassadors and foreign leaders.

Last October, the State Department, as part of the effort to improve its record keeping, asked all previous secretaries of state dating back to Madeleine K. Albright to provide it with any records, like emails, from their time in office for preservation.

“These steps include regularly archiving all of Secretary Kerry’s emails to ensure that we are capturing all federal records,” said a department spokeswoman, Jen Psaki.

The existence of Mrs. Clinton’s personal email account was discovered by a House committee investigating the attack on the American Consulate in Benghazi as it sought correspondence between Mrs. Clinton and her aides about the attack.

Two weeks ago, the State Department, after reviewing Mrs. Clinton’s emails, provided the committee with about 300 emails — amounting to roughly 900 pages — about the Benghazi attacks.

Mrs. Clinton and the committee declined to comment on the contents of the emails or whether they will be made public.

The State Department, Ms. Psaki said, “has been proactively and consistently engaged in responding to the committee’s many requests in a timely manner, providing more than 40,000 pages of documents, scheduling more than 20 transcribed interviews and participating in several briefings and each of the committee’s hearings.”


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3/03/2015 8:08 am  #2


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“Personal emails are not secure,” he said. “Senior officials should not be using them.”

THAT is the reason that they should NOT use private accounts 
 


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3/03/2015 8:20 am  #3


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That is one of the reasons but the main reason is that all official government e-mail must be saved per federal law. Depending on what it is determines how long it is saved. Sounds like more missing e-mails?
 
According to the story Clinton did not have a government email address while secretary of state?
 


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3/03/2015 8:33 am  #4


Re: Hillary Clinton Used Personal Email Account at State Dept.

tennyson wrote:

“Personal emails are not secure,” he said. “Senior officials should not be using them.”

THAT is the reason that they should NOT use private accounts 
 

Absolutely. 
I hate to think of State Dept business being carried out in a media that is not secure from foreign governments.
Well, we will have abundant opportunities to follow this investigation, I am sure!


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3/03/2015 9:12 am  #5


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This is a big deal for a couple of reasons. The security aspect is one of them.

The other, I would say bigger reason, is that I wonder how many sensitive, classified, and otherwise secret information Mrs. Clinton has in her personal e-mail that she shouldn't have now that she is no longer in government.

That's not "possibly breaking rules" Wouldn't that qualify has a major felonius federal offense?

 


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3/03/2015 9:42 am  #6


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Good question/point made by the NRO

This whole story is very strange. The Times reporter who broke the story seems a bit too eager to downplay his own story.  But the biggest thing I don’t understand: Why did it take so long to notice? There have been a lot of investigations of the Benghazi scandal. Some have been damning, other exonerating. Regardless of what they concluded, how is it possible that none of the investigators noticed that Hillary Clinton doesn’t have an official email account? Think of the tens of thousands of documents that come in. Some are redacted, some aren’t. But emails from the Secretary of State are central to nearly all the questions swirling around the Benghazi story. So you’d think the non-existence of an official email account would have been noticed. If it’s the law that everyone in government have one, wouldn’t you assume Hillary has one? And if you assume that she does have one, but you never see any evidence for it, wouldn’t that arouse some suspicion? My point isn’t that it would arouse suspicion that she’s evading the law requiring an official email account. My point is that a good investigator would assume she had a government account and would find the failure to provide any official emails to be a good lead. Pursuing that lead, in turn, would reveal that she had no “official” emails to disclose.


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3/03/2015 9:44 am  #7


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Are we arguing over an email address? Because it says .net or whatever instead of .gov? As long as the government has all the emails, is it really a huge deal? I might point out that as much as the government systems have been hacked, maybe they were safer. 

(when I say 'we', I mean officials, not us)

 

3/03/2015 9:53 am  #8


Re: Hillary Clinton Used Personal Email Account at State Dept.

BYOB wrote:

Are we arguing over an email address? Because it says .net or whatever instead of .gov? As long as the government has all the emails, is it really a huge deal? I might point out that as much as the government systems have been hacked, maybe they were safer. 

(when I say 'we', I mean officials, not us)

It's a big deal. While I won't get into an argument whether or not government networks are more or less safe that g-mail, yahoo, or some other e-mail service, there needs to be a mechanism in place to track, keep, oversee, and audit what public officials (especially ones in sensitive positions like the President's cabinent).
 


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3/03/2015 9:57 am  #9


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I would suggest the old paper and filing cabinets. No one bothers to hack them anymore. 
Can't they run on over to the local NSA branch and get copies of everything? 

Seriously though, I wonder who originally set up the account for her? I kind of doubt she did it herself. Most high level government people usually have people to do all of that mundane stuff for them.

Last edited by BYOB (3/03/2015 10:03 am)

 

3/03/2015 12:07 pm  #10


Re: Hillary Clinton Used Personal Email Account at State Dept.

I vaguely remember something like came up before involving Colin Powell.  Anybody else remember that also, and what the end result was?

Last edited by Just Fred (3/03/2015 12:07 pm)

 

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