TheLagerLad wrote:

If I am running things, I give those guys one hour to vacate the building. Otherwise, we take care of business Waco style and they don't come out alive.

 

That equals a lot of people dead. Just wait them out and as they run out of supplies they will give up.
Grab then as they travel to restock. But if there is a big shoot that would play right into Obama's hand so
he could make his own laws regarding guns! I have to do this to protect the children. Congress won't do it.
So I will with my pen!

Remember what Paul Begala said? "Stroke of the pen. Law of the Land. Kinda cool."

If these yahoos don't want government (meaning you and me) involvement, they should consider a vacation to Somalia where there is no government interference and then get back to us.

Last edited by Just Fred (1/03/2016 6:08 pm)

Common Sense wrote:

TheLagerLad wrote:

If I am running things, I give those guys one hour to vacate the building. Otherwise, we take care of business Waco style and they don't come out alive.

 

That equals a lot of people dead. Just wait them out and as they run out of supplies they will give up.
Grab then as they travel to restock. But if there is a big shoot that would play right into Obama's hand so
he could make his own laws regarding guns! I have to do this to protect the children. Congress won't do it.
So I will with my pen!

You're probably right. Should avoid violence when you can wait them out. 

Here's a good story from Oregon Public Broadcasting about both the "militia", and the locals who it seems for the most part don't want them there. Worth a read

......The prospect of hundreds of out-of-towners who openly carry firearms concerns some residents in Burns.

Fliers with the message “Militia go home” hang on signposts downtown.

Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward said he received death threat emails from people in other states after he told militia organizers he would not create a safe haven for the Hammonds to stay in Harney County.

“I haven’t slept a full night in close to two months now. I have a lot of anxiety,” he said. But Sheriff Ward wants to protect his county.

“What we’ve been threatened with here is civil unrest and the insinuations of armed rebellion,” said Sheriff Ward.

Cliven Bundy said if Sheriff Ward wanted to keep the protests away, he should have worked harder to get the Hammonds’ sentences reduced or vacated. “I believe that the local governments have failed these people,” Bundy said. “The sheriff, he has the duty to protect the life, liberty and property of his citizens. And I believe he has failed, totally here.”

Bundy told OPB the protest is meant to draw attention to the expanding power of federal and state governments, and that his sons are going, “for a good purpose.”

Even Bundy is unsure whether the protest is a good idea, and whether it’s proper for his family’s supporters to get involved. “I don’t quite understand how much they’re going to accomplish,” Bundy said. “I think of it this way: what business does the Bundy family have in Harney County, Oregon?”

“In one sense, I believe very much in local government, and local control, and local authority,” Sheriff Ward said. To him, the militiamen are welcome to protest. But he doesn’t want to see the rally escalate. “We cannot have what happened at the Bundy Ranch here,” Ward said. “I won’t allow it from law enforcement and I won’t have it from citizens.”

There are some in Harney County who agree with the Bundy’s message that federal lands should be under local control. Many also said that the Hammonds’ five-year prison sentence is harsh.

Inspired by presentations from Ammon Bundy, some citizens formed the Harney County Committee of Safety, and plan to participate in the rally. “We aren’t associated with the Bundy crew but we agree with a lot of things that they’re doing,” said committee member and rancher Melodi Molp. “I appreciate the Bundy’s coming and enlightening us. But they are way more aggressive than what we want to do.” 

But rancher Gary Marshall said he’s offended by some the militia’s insinuation that Harney County residents need an education about the constitution or the role of the federal government.  

“There’s plenty here in our community that are intelligent enough that we can think and decide for ourselves,” said Marshall.

He pointed out that more than 50 percent of people employed in Harney County work for the government, and that there’s a collaborative, not an antagonistic spirit toward the federal workforce in Harney County.  

“A lot of the people who work at the BLM are of families of the community,” said Marshall. “It’s not in any way a ‘them against us’ kind of a scenario here.”

Finally, is there any sort of good reading out there on the issues between ranchers in general and BLM or land use rules? Not specific to the Bundy's or Hammond's.
 

TheLagerLad wrote:

If I am running things, I give those guys one hour to vacate the building. Otherwise, we take care of business Waco style and they don't come out alive.

 

I was able to watch Morning Joe today and he (Joe) agreed with you. He said to get a bulldozer and knock the building down and throw the people out! He was pretty animated about it.

I see a glaring double standard here. 
And it seems, at this hour, that the coddling continues.