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2/26/2015 10:22 pm  #11


Re: State House poised to vote on liquor privatization legislation

Before the state of Virginia loosened its alcohol laws, and knowing many VA residents crossed the Potomac to purchase their alcohol where it was available on nearly every street corner, the VA authorities posted undercover people at the most popular--sometimes the closest to Potomac bridges--and would tail vehicles with VA license plates.  If the vehicles crossed into Virginia the drivers were nailed and the fines were heavy for transporting the alcohol across "state" lines without paying the VA taxes.  After the laws were changed in Virginia beer and wine became available in nearly every grocery, drug, you-name-it store.  Unless the laws have been changed again I believe hard liquor still must be purchased at a state store. 

There's no reason why PA's laws are not changed!  The state, following its initial influx of possible billions, is still going to receive millions in taxes every year.  That revenue flow will be maintained.  As for the employees who will lose their jobs--many will be retiring or be close to retiring.  Those that are not will be grabbed up by the now-new alcohol outlets who will want them for their expertise and knowledge.  Seeing what happened in Virginia after the change there will be plent of employment opportunities for the state employees.  Change is often difficult, particularly when employment is affected, but these changes are long overdue in Pennsylvania.

 

2/27/2015 7:13 am  #12


Re: State House poised to vote on liquor privatization legislation

So I guess it comes down to whether you want to give up the yearly revenue we get from the state stores for a one time cash fix, or if you just have a philosophical disagreement with your government selling hooch.

Lager summed it up very nicely.

 

2/27/2015 10:13 am  #13


Re: State House poised to vote on liquor privatization legislation

There's no reason why PA's laws are not changed!  The state, following its initial influx of possible billions, is still going to receive millions in taxes every year.  That revenue flow will be maintained.

It's not as simple as you are making it flowergirl.

Let's break it down:

There are two pots of money currently flowing in,

Taxes: According to the Comparative Statements of Revenues, Expenses, and Changes in Net Assets For The Twelve Months Ending June 30, 2014 and June 30, 2013 Pennsylvania collected about $1 billion in taxes from boozes in fiscal year '13-'14.

Profit from operating the state stores: Per the same statement, the state stores made $123 million for the Commowealth's general fund.

In the event we were to privatize the system, you are correct that we would still collect our billion a year in taxes. But, if we assume that the state stores could bring in a one time shot of a billion dollars, then using the $123 million figure as our baseline, in 2028, we've now lost that income.

Is it a big deal? I suppose we could say that $123 million in chump change in a 30 billion dollar budget.



 


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2/27/2015 1:37 pm  #14


Re: State House poised to vote on liquor privatization legislation

But--and there's always one isn't there.  Will not the state recoup the taxes and income from sales that are currently going to other states caused by PA's antiquated alcohol laws.  Does anyone know the real amount the state is losing in sales/taxes to neighboring states?  Or to Virginia?  Or now online ordering?

 

2/27/2015 2:13 pm  #15


Re: State House poised to vote on liquor privatization legislation

Ok, I surrender.  Privatize the damn thing and if taxes have to be raised due to lost revenue sometime down the road then raise taxes to make up for the difference if that's what happens.  Geez.

 

2/27/2015 2:35 pm  #16


Re: State House poised to vote on liquor privatization legislation

flowergirl wrote:

But--and there's always one isn't there.  Will not the state recoup the taxes and income from sales that are currently going to other states caused by PA's antiquated alcohol laws.  Does anyone know the real amount the state is losing in sales/taxes to neighboring states?  Or to Virginia?  Or now online ordering?

Sure. The taxes from alcohol will always be there. As for the revenue generated from the state stores, again it's something that theoretically worry about a decade from now.

As for the state making up revenue through increased sales in a privatized environment, so long as states like Delaware and New Jersey have signifcantly lower alcohol taxes, we'll still see some sales bleed into those states. Like I said, earlier, if I'm in either of those states and know I need to resupply my beer fridge, I will make a point to stop because the savings are significant.

At the end of the day, I'm ambivilent about privatization. I've seen enough improvements in the liquor system and enough changes to beer distribution that I can live with the current system. I've got a great micro-brew store 2 minutes from me. That was unheard of 10 years ago. 

But, if lawmakers can try and take care of the workers who will get laid off and give first dibs to the small business owners in the retail space, then I can be talked into it.
 

Last edited by TheLagerLad (2/27/2015 2:36 pm)


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

2/27/2015 3:30 pm  #17


Re: State House poised to vote on liquor privatization legislation

Aha!  With privatization comes price wars and many of the other states may lose their price advantage, eliminating the need for many PA residents to travel across state lines to get their booze.  

 

2/28/2015 12:14 am  #18


Re: State House poised to vote on liquor privatization legislation

I'm puzzled as to why, with all the problems this state has, we (as in the elected officials) are choosing to focus on this right now.

 

2/28/2015 8:12 am  #19


Re: State House poised to vote on liquor privatization legislation

It can be used as a bargaining chip once Wolf lays out his budget requests in March.

i.e., Yes, we;ll give you a natural gas extraction tax if you privatize liquor sales


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

3/02/2015 2:15 pm  #20


Re: State House poised to vote on liquor privatization legislation

I would think we'd want the revenue from both. Maybe we could have lower taxes then.

 

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