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NY Times Page 1 Editorial: Guns ‘Are Weapons Of War'
Today, the NYT published its first Page 1 Editorial since 1920. It is titled "End the Gun Epidemic in America". It's short, to the point, and worth a read.
“These are weapons of war,” read the editorial, “barely modified and deliberately marketed as tools of macho vigilantism and even insurrection.”
“America’s elected leaders offer prayers for gun victims and then, callously and without fear of consequence, reject the most basic restrictions on weapons of mass killing, as they did on Thursday. They distract us with arguments about the word terrorism. Let’s be clear: These spree killings are all, in their own ways, acts of terrorism.”
.....“It is not necessary to debate the peculiar wording of the Second Amendment. No right is unlimited and immune from reasonable regulation.”
I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
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Re: NY Times Page 1 Editorial: Guns ‘Are Weapons Of War'
Good article there, Lager. Expresses my view exactly.
.....“It is not necessary to debate the peculiar wording of the Second Amendment. No right is unlimited and immune from reasonable regulation.”
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Re: NY Times Page 1 Editorial: Guns ‘Are Weapons Of War'
It's time to tell it like it is!
We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists.
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Re: NY Times Page 1 Editorial: Guns ‘Are Weapons Of War'
Well, presidential wannabe candidate, Chris Christie, thinks it's a bunch of "liberal claptrap":
Republican presidential candidate and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie doesn't think highly of a New York Times editorial[/url] calling for stricter gun control laws in the wake of the [url=]San Bernardino shooting.
"It's typical liberal claptrap from the New York Times," Christie told "Face the Nation" host John Dickerson in an interview set to air Sunday.
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F*ck you, Chris.
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Re: NY Times Page 1 Editorial: Guns ‘Are Weapons Of War'
No F-bombs, please.
Passions are running high, understandably.
But try to understand: High passions can be the beginning of the slope to such horrors as were visited upon San Bernardino.
Life is an Orthros.
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Re: NY Times Page 1 Editorial: Guns ‘Are Weapons Of War'
No one ever died from the typing of an "F" and a couple letters.
Comparing me to the San Bernardino shooters is rather offensive.
Just sayin
I'm saddened that you chose to take issue with a few letters. There are so many other things that one would think others could call out. For example, I would think that the truly offensive thing here is that, in the midst of an epidemic of gun violence, the governor of NJ just dismissed the entirely appropriate concerns of tens of millions of his fellow citizens with the derogatory label, 'liberal claptrap'. Or that our legislators would vote down a bill that would try to keep terrorists from buying guns. Or that some leaders would assert that the problem is with, not guns, but our "mental health system", and then attempt to do absolutely nothing about our mental health system.
Gee willickers, so much for passions to run high about.
Closing ones mind and demonizing 'the other' is what leads to the horror of San Bernardino, not an isolated angry utterance.
How about we return to the topic, the complete abandonment of the public interest by our elected officials on the issue of gun violence. Use colorful language if you like. These are important issues.
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Re: NY Times Page 1 Editorial: Guns ‘Are Weapons Of War'
Let's return to the marketing and rationale for modern gun ownership.
The gun ads of your youth typically pictured a man and his son walking across a field, shotguns in hand with some pheasants in the distance.
A Bushmaster ad from today has a picture of an AR15 with the caption "Consider your man card reissued".
The rationale from the past was sport, and personal protection.
The rationale today is vigilantism and insurrection.
I'd say that we have a big problem on our hands.
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Re: NY Times Page 1 Editorial: Guns ‘Are Weapons Of War'
Goose wrote:
Closing ones mind and demonizing 'the other' is what leads to the horror of San Bernardino...
Precisely.
Generally, speech precedes actions.
Thoughts precede speech.
Self-policing one's thoughts is one of the greatest challenges of life.
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Re: NY Times Page 1 Editorial: Guns ‘Are Weapons Of War'
Could we please address the topic at hand?
Weapons of war are being freely sold into the civilian market without regard to the motives, training, or mental stability of those civilians. They are being sold, and their sales are defended in terms of macho vigilantism, and even in defense of fantasies of armed insurrection. It is outrageous.
I understand the use of guns for sport, and the right of self defense. However, I don’t think the constitution guarantees a right to bear every kind of gun or magazine in existence. And I believe that these weapons present a clear and present danger to the People of the United States.
Whether the perpetrators are ISIS sympathizers, mad right-wingers, or simply mad, the fact remains that it is just too easy for people with evil intentions to obtain dangerous, military grade weaponry. And the sorrowful public piety of Republican politicians after a gun massacre makes me angry. I find their position of changing the subject to be a craven abdication of reason and duty.
If you think that you can draw a line from my anger to San Bernadino, hey whatever.
I forgive you.
We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists.