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8/11/2015 8:16 pm  #41


Re: Vigilantes in Ferguson

Well, many were arrested for no reason and later released.
Sorry that doesn't fit with your pre-conceived opinion.
I'm sure that black people have been the perpetrators, and not the victims in the history of this country.
You are right. They should have been content to be slaves.
Thanks.


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8/11/2015 8:18 pm  #42


Re: Vigilantes in Ferguson

Goose wrote:

Well, many were arrested for no reason and later released.
Sorry that doesn't fit with your pre-conceived opinion.
I'm sure that black people have been the perpetrators, and not the victims in the history of this country.
You are right. They should have been content to be slaves.
Thanks.

 
That is your thought, not mine, and please don't ever attribute anything like that to me again.  Thanks.

 

8/11/2015 8:19 pm  #43


Re: Vigilantes in Ferguson

BTW, what about the DOJ report saying that minority populations were targeted, in violation of the constitution?
Is that just invisible?


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8/12/2015 7:10 am  #44


Re: Vigilantes in Ferguson

I disagree with their mission statement.

The greatest threat we face is armed gangs with a 'cause'.


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8/12/2015 7:16 am  #45


Re: Vigilantes in Ferguson

The perspective of a British News Outlet:


British reporter in Ferguson finds whites openly carrying rifles and peaceful blacks being arrested

“You and people who look like you, white males, have the sovereignty to walk around with assault rifles,” one black protesters told a white Oath Keeper, “But we [black protesters] can’t even like stand out here and assemble peacefully and exercise our constitutional right to do so without being gassed, maced and arrested.”


http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/watch-british-reporter-in-ferguson-finds-whites-openly-carrying-rifles-and-peaceful-blacks-being-arrested/


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8/12/2015 7:29 am  #46


Re: Vigilantes in Ferguson

The Man wrote:

The peaceful black protestors in Ferguson have been left alone. The protestors in Ferguson who are being arrested aren't protestors, they are people who are shooting at police, throwing rocks at police, throwing frozen bottles of water at police, rioting and looting. Do you not see any difference between that and protesting, or legally carrying guns peacefully?

About 12 miles from Ferguson in downtown St. Louis, more than 50 people were arrested Monday for civil disobedience after a sit-in on the steps of the federal courthouse, reports Fox2Now. The orderly protest after a short march, which was organized by a group called the Ferguson Action Council, was part of a "Moral Monday" campaign to further mark the shooting of the unarmed Brown, who was black, by a white police officer, Darren Wilson.

Protestors such as Deray McKesson documented the sit-in and arrests on social media. 

http://www.people.com/article/ferguson-state-of-emergency-after-shooting-anniversary


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8/12/2015 7:34 am  #47


Re: Vigilantes in Ferguson

To on one hand decry the police as discriminatory, abusive and disrespectful of rights and simultaneously denounce a group like Oath Keepers who's primary principle is to honor their oath to defend the Constitution and ensure government operates within the confines of the Constitution, is puzzling. 

The commentary in this thread that flows from such a mindset is both mindnumbing and heartbreaking . . . 

That a line of argument is that Blacks wouldn't be allowed to walk around legally armed is only demonstrative of the complete surrender to government authority that has occurred in the liberal political realm.  This surrender has been cultivated and nurtured within the Black political identity which is why there is no principled resistance to the abuse. 

Blacks have been taught to claim slavery as an injustice that still influences modern life but they have had the important lessons from the fight against slavery, scrubbed from their consciousness.  Where are the orators like Frederick Douglass today?  More importantly, where are any high-minded arguments for liberty and demanding government respect inherent rights -- instead of of today's race warlords calling for more largesse and fake "second generation" rights.  The sad truth is, any Black who would today speak of the themes Douglass did, would be labeled a right-wing sellout or an Uncle Tom.

If history has shown us anything it is that first generation political rights are not given to us by a benevolent government; they are claimed and demanded to be respected by unyielding citizens who will not tolerate liberty being stolen.

 

 

8/12/2015 7:46 am  #48


Re: Vigilantes in Ferguson

Well, if we are going to engage in sweeping generalizations, I'll play too,,,,,,,,

Whites have been taught that racial animus ended in 1865, despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary.
Whites have been taught that it is acceptable to toss out the presumtion of innocence and to describe any black who gets arrested as a looter or thug.

To describe Oathkeepers, a borderline insurrectionist group as "honoring the Constitution" is both mind numbing and heartbreaking.

 


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8/12/2015 7:53 am  #49


Re: Vigilantes in Ferguson

From my perspective, these vigilantes, pseudo patriots, misguided militias, such as the "oath keepers" have twisted and distorted the oath to defend for their own fantasy to keep playing soldier boys. If they truly desire to be U.S. Military personnel, then sign the papers and go on active duty. We don't need quasi military groups cruising the streets enforcing their concocted version of the law. They are instigators, stirring the pot in the hope that it will boil and enable them to take action based on their distorted view of duty and law. Even the established police forces don't welcome their presence, let alone the citizens.

Full disclosure - I took the oath to defend and serve and did so for 6 years. It has nothing to do with acting as an unauthorized vigilante.

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8/13/2015 2:18 pm  #50


Re: Vigilantes in Ferguson

Jeer,   it's not so much that blacks 'wouldn't be allowed' to go arond in armed gangs so much as the reaction to such a gang.

Do you believe an armed group of black men would be treated the same way as an armed group of 'Oathkeepers'?


If you make yourself miserable trying to make others happy that means everyone is miserable.

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