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8/11/2015 7:52 am  #1


Vigilantes in Ferguson

Yeah . . . This is just what we need to calm the situation down.

From Reuters:



Heavily armed 'Oath Keepers' inject new unease to riot-hit Ferguson

By Scott Malone

FERGUSON, Mo. (Reuters) - Four civilians carrying automatic rifles and sidearms patrolled a riot-torn street in Ferguson, Missouri, early Tuesday, saying they were there to protect a media organization but drawing swift criticism from police and protesters alike.

The appearance of the four men, all white, quickly drew stares in the mostly black neighborhood, which exploded into violence again on Sunday night as protesters marked the police killing of an unarmed black teen a year ago.

The men identified themselves as part of a group called "Oath Keepers," which describes itself as an association of current and former U.S. soldiers and police who aim to protect the U.S. Constitution.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, a non-profit civil rights organization, has described the "Oath Keepers" as a "fiercely anti-government, militaristic group," and St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar condemned their appearance in Ferguson.

"Their presence was both unnecessary and inflammatory," he said, adding that police would work with county prosecutors to see if the men had broken any laws.

Led by a man who gave his name only as John, the group, whose members wore bulletproof vests and carried sidearms in addition to combat-style rifles, said they had come to protect a journalist from the conservative "Infowars.com" Web site.

"There were problems here, there were people who got hurt. We needed to be prepared for that," said the man, who noted that Missouri state laws generally allow the open carrying of heavy weapons of the kind that his group were brandishing.

InfoWars could not be reached for immediate comment.

Ferguson has seen months of violent protest since the fatal shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown by a white police officer a year ago. Sunday night's protests were punctuated by gunfire, with police shooting and critically wounding a man who they said had opened fire on them.

Monday's protests were less chaotic, with about nine people arrested in skirmishes with police that saw protesters throw rocks and bottles at officers.

But many in the crowd questioned the wisdom of openly carrying such heavy weapons into an emotionally charged situation.

"You’re going to bring some uncommissioned citizens, white citizens, into a black community like this? It's disrespectful," said Talal Ahmad, 30, who is black and has been a fixture of the last year's protests, which prompted a Justice Department review that found Ferguson's police department routinely violated city residents' civil rights.

"Here, in a black neighborhood, we’re already living in a state of terror," Ahmad said.





Who do these fake "patriots" think they are?

They should pack up their combat style weapons and bullet proof vests and go play war in the Mid-East.

Last edited by Rongone (8/11/2015 11:28 am)

 

8/11/2015 8:02 am  #2


Re: Vigilantes in Ferguson

Just what the police need,,,, more unbalanced people with guns to contend with. 


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

8/11/2015 8:28 am  #3


Re: Vigilantes in Ferguson

I wonder where this is going to end.  Right now things look rather pointless.  Do the leaders and people of Ferguson have a plan to fix things?  Everyone gets that they are upset.  But now what?  To the observer it  looks like many people just want to be on TV every night.  They have to have some kind of way to move forward.   I am hoping that the leaders are actually sitting down and working on improving things.

 

8/11/2015 8:34 am  #4


Re: Vigilantes in Ferguson

florentine wrote:

I wonder where this is going to end.  Right now things look rather pointless.  Do the leaders and people of Ferguson have a plan to fix things?  Everyone gets that they are upset.  But now what?  To the observer it  looks like many people just want to be on TV every night.  They have to have some kind of way to move forward.   I am hoping that the leaders are actually sitting down and working on improving things.

Great questions, Florentine.
After the anger quiets down, we need to find a way to move forward or this will just happen again.
We need to deal with the lawless element.
We also need to move beyond dehumanizing labels, and address the problems at hand. 
Poverty, Lack of community/political involvement by the minority population.
And, according to the Justice Department, ending policies that use the police to extract money from that population in predatory practice to fund the municipality.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

8/11/2015 10:49 am  #5


Re: Vigilantes in Ferguson

Let's see .............. white 'oath keepers' roaming around a black neighborhood with no supervision carrying sidearms and combat-style weapons, wearing bullet-proof vests, in the wake of protesters speaking out against the killing of an 18-year- old unarmed black teenager.

What could possibly go wrong? 

 

8/11/2015 11:19 am  #6


Re: Vigilantes in Ferguson

Hey, at least they aren't "thugs".


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

8/11/2015 2:18 pm  #7


Re: Vigilantes in Ferguson

Sounds like a group of freaks looking for an excuse to shoot people.


If you make yourself miserable trying to make others happy that means everyone is miserable.

-Me again

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8/11/2015 3:00 pm  #8


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Patricia Bynes, Democratic Committeewoman of Ferguson Township, went to check on the protests early Tuesday and was surprised to find the Oath Keepers amid a heavy police presence.

"If there were black and brown people in this country who showed up in the streets open carrying assault rifles in paramilitary garb would they still be received the same way?" Bynes asked. "It seems to be that especially when it comes to the Second Amendment there seems to be a different way that it is enforced."

The commiteewoman said that police did not confront the Oath Keepers — which hit to the core of the issues.





Serious question. 
If a group of black men in hoodies showed up openly carrying weapons, would have been received as gently as were these fellows?


Scenes from one year ago:








 


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

8/11/2015 4:24 pm  #9


Re: Vigilantes in Ferguson

Some interesting tidbits about the oath keeper organization:

Oath Keepers is an American nonprofit organization which encourages members — some of whom are said to be current and former U.S. military and law enforcement — to disobey any orders they believe violate the Constitution of the United States.

"The greatest threat we face today is not terrorists; it is our federal government… One of the best and easiest solutions is to depend on local officials, especially the sheriff, to stand against federal intervention and federal criminality."

Quoting the Las Vegas Review-Journal, MSNBC political commentator and former presidential candidate Pat Buchanan said, "Oath Keepers, depending on where one stands, are either strident defenders of liberty or dangerous peddlers of paranoia." Buchanan himself concluded that "America was once their country. They sense they are losing it."

Oath Keepers "may be a particularly worrisome example of the Patriot revival."


I'm gonna go with "a particularly worrisome example" and "dangerous peddlers of paranoia"
They think they can disobey any laws or regulations that THEY feel are violating the constitution? So, what gives them the right to decide what is the right or wrong interpretation of laws and regulation . . . And then act as the rightful enforcers of THEIR interpretation? They are heavily armed vigilantes . . . Pure and simple. They should be arrested by law enforcement for inciting violence.

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8/11/2015 4:28 pm  #10


Re: Vigilantes in Ferguson

They are domestic terrorists.
 


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

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