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Guns and the Two Americas
Timothy Egan
The waves of mass shootings continue to roll over the United States like surf on the ship of state’s prow. Every few weeks now we get hit with a jolt of cold water. We shake and shudder, and then brace ourselves for the next one.
So we beat on — a nation whose people are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of most other developed countries. The only thing extraordinary about mass shootings in America is how ordinary the killing grounds are — elementary schools, high schools, colleges, military recruitment centers, theaters, parks, churches.
Is no place safe? Actually, several places are. You want protection in a country that allows a deranged man to get an assault weapon to hunt down innocent people in a public space? Go to the airport — that bubble of gun-free security. Or go to a major-league baseball game, or a stadium in the National Football League.
Our big league venues may be engaging only in security theater, as critics assert, but their owners don’t think so. They now mandate metal detectors to snag weapons, and most of them even ban off-duty cops from bringing guns to the games.
Nationwide, if you want to lessen your chances of getting shot, stay out of the South. The South is the most violent region in the United States, and also the place with the highest rate of gun ownership. More guns, easily obtained by the mentally ill, religious fanatics and anti-government extremists, mean more gun deaths.
Better to go to a city or state with gun restrictions, at least if you’re playing the odds. Most of the states with tighter gun laws have fewer gun deaths.
That’s one America, the slightly safer one. It includes government gun-screened zones like airports, courthouses and many high schools. But more significantly, it also covers property used by our most popular obsession, pro football — the free market at work.
The other America is an open-fire zone, backed by politicians who think it should be even more crowded with average people parading around with lethal weapons. Just after the tragedy in a Louisiana theater a week ago — a shooting by a hate-filled man who was able to legally obtain a gun despite a history of mental illness — Rick Perry called gun-free zones a bad idea.
In his view, echoing that of the fanatics who own the Republican Party by intimidation, everyone should be armed, everywhere. Once a shooting starts, the bad guy with the gun will be killed by the good guy with the gun, somehow able to get a draw on the shooter in a darkened theater, or behind a pew in church.
This scenario almost never happens. The logic is nonsense, the odds of a perfectly timed counter-killer getting the drop on the evil killer unlikely. And even when such a situation does happen, as in the Tucson shooting of 2011, the armed citizen who jumps into the melee can pose a mortal threat to others. In Tucson, an innocent person came within seconds of getting shot by an armed bystander who wasn’t sure whom to shoot.
Most gun-free zones, like the theater in Lafayette, La., are not gun-free at all. They have no metal detectors or screening — that would cost too much, the theater owners claim. Gun-free is a suggestion, and therefore a misnomer. Eventually, the more prosperous theaters in better communities will pay for metal detectors, further setting apart the two Americas in our age of mass shootings.
The Mall of America — more than 500 stores in four miles of retail space, drawing 40 million annual visitors to a climate-controlled part of Minnesota — is trying to be a gun-free zone. “Guns are banned on these premises” is the mall’s official policy.
If the mall took up Rick Perry’s suggestion, shoppers could roam among the chain stores packing heat, ready for a shootout. The owners of that vast operation, similar to those who stage concerts and pro sports, think otherwise. The mall has a security force of more than a hundred people. Yeah — I hear the joke about the feckless mall cops. But the Mall of America trusts them more than well-armed shoppers to protect people, as they should.
Surprising though it may seem, gun ownership is declining over all in the United States. We are still awash with weapons — nearly a third of all American households have an adult with a gun. But that’s down from nearly half of all households in 1973.
What we’re moving toward, then, are regions that are safer than others, and public spaces that are safer than others, led by private enterprise, shunning the gun crazies who want everyone armed. The new reality comes with the inconvenience and hassle of screening and pat-downs similar to the routines at airports — enforced gun-free zones, not mere suggestions.
As a way to make everyday life seem less frightening, the new reality is absurd. But that’s the cost, apparently, of an extreme interpretation of a constitutional amendment designed to fend off British tyranny, a freedom that has become a tyranny in itself.
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Good article.
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Just Fred wrote:
Good article.
The pnly thing that article is "good" for is an example of leftist tunnel vision, leftist cherry picking and leftist dogma demanded misrepresentation of the US Constitution.
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Boy, posting a gun thread is like putting up the bat signal.
Put up a gun thread and the civility drops twenty points and suddenly we have "leftist", "Leftist", "Leftist", "dogma" and "constitution", "cherry picking", "tunnel vision" or some other such pejorative nonsense.
Much sound and fury, Signifying nothing.
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Ok, here we go again. For the sake of conversation, let's put the Constitution aside for now ............
Let's get in Mr. Peabody's 'Way Back Machine' and go back to 1776:
We live with the threat of a British invasion, and we've got no standing army. Police forces are rudimentary if one exists at all. Most of us live an agrarian lifestyle, and we have no Safeways or Weis Markets to get our meat supply. Who knows, those of us living on the fringes of the 13 colonies might have concerns about everything from Indians to wolves to bears and mountain lions.
Ok, you've got the picture.
Now you have been chosen to help write a constitution for this new land. It would make perfect sense to include something about gun ownership for the reasons I've already stated. Afterall, we're just starting out and there's alot of anxiety about whether or not we will survive as both individuals and as a country. That musket or long rifle sure could come in handy.
Now let's jump ahead 235 years to 2015, and ask yourself, "Does this amendment make sense and is it a good idea today?" If the answer is 'yes', ok fine. Then the next set of questions might have to do with comparing and contrasting the type of weaponry available to the public today vs the type of weaponry that was circulating around the citizenry in 1776 for the reasons I've already addressed.
The bottomline for me is if we are going to view the Constitution like it was some kind stone tablet delivered to us from Moses, then there is probably nothing we could discuss any further.
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Well, Fred, I get it, for what it's worth.
It's about solving a problem. The Constitution is a blueprint for government, not the word of God.
And guns are not sacred icons.
So, let's drop all of the derision, the labels, and loaded terms, and discuss a problem as if among inrelligent friends.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it infinitely, as someone who has never owned guns, but have plenty of friends and family and acquaintances who do, and I've shot guns, and it can be a fun hobby and pastime, also I think they are a legitimate home protection tool, I will never understand why there aren't mandatory mental health evaluations required to purchase guns of any kind? I don't understand why anyone would be against that? No one wants a mental case buying a gun, or at least I hope not.
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Just Fred wrote:
Ok, here we go again. For the sake of conversation, let's put the Constitution aside for now ............ . . .
Now you have been chosen to help write a constitution for this new land. It would make perfect sense to include something about gun ownership . . .
You have an interesting way of putting the Constitution aside.
Your statements point out the reason why there is such a wide divide betweeen us and it comes down to our differences in understanding and applying the foundational principles of the Constitution. You see the 2nd Amendment as the framers "includ[ing] gun ownership" in the Constitution. I would argue the opposite, that the framers excluded "gun ownership" (for private citizens) from the Constitution.
Just Fred wrote:
Now let's jump ahead 235 years to 2015, and ask yourself, "Does this amendment make sense and is it a good idea today?"
Again, a demonstaration of our different belief structures abut the Constitution. You see the 2nd as the framers giving us the "right" to own guns (within the parameters of courts interpreting the 2nd or a modern evaluation of the "right" to see if it is worth keeping).
I would argue that the right is not in any manner dependet upon the 2nd Amendment . I would argue that the right does not exist because of what the 2nd Amendment says or any particualr interpretation of the 2nd; I would argue that the right exists because of what the body of the Constitution doesn't say and that silence, that lack of granted power is the original, never surrendered, fully retained, "right of the people to keep and bear arms" and it is immune from the whims of the majority.
A right is simply an exception of powers never granted; all the 2nd Amendment "does" is redundantly forbid the federal government to exercise powers it was never granted.
bottom line, to argue as if the 2nd Amendment is a permission slip to be reevaluated and reworked is a mistake and constitutionally illegitimate.
Just Fred wrote:
The bottomline for me is if we are going to view the Constitution like it was some kind stone tablet delivered to us from Moses, then there is probably nothing we could discuss any further.
And my "bottomline" is that any discussion is futile when one side's idealogogy stomps out the regognition, understanding and adherence to foundational constitutional principle and action.
To try to discuss "rights" in the context of what should be "allowed" is backwards. A discussion of rights should be framed as a discussion of legitimate government powers -- and as far as that goes, the Constitution is written in stone and those powers can only be legitimately expanded by the entity who established the compact using the process set-out in the Constitution. Your advocacy for some sort of subjective sliding scale of determining a right's value in our modern, enlightened situation and then limiting the right, is not something I will ever embrace.
In my belief that is precisely the sort of overstepping that good citizens should be vigilant for and always resist.
So, how can a reasoned, civil and productive dialouge happen?
What common ground do we share?
I see the political ideology of gun control advocates demanding the rejection and abandonment of the Constitution and I will ardently argue against that. I find it unavoidable that my criticism of the policy is framed in ideological terms because the policy is driven by and inseperable from the ideology.
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The Man wrote:
I've said it before, and I'll say it infinitely, as someone who has never owned guns, but have plenty of friends and family and acquaintances who do, and I've shot guns, and it can be a fun hobby and pastime, also I think they are a legitimate home protection tool, I will never understand why there aren't mandatory mental health evaluations required to purchase guns of any kind? I don't understand why anyone would be against that? No one wants a mental case buying a gun, or at least I hope not.
I have trouble understanding the opposition to sensible gun regulations as well.
I do understand that there is a segment of our society who attach an exxagerated, even mystical, importance to the unlimited availability of firearms. They have a near fanatical reverence to certain parts of the constitution, without comprehension of the document as a whole. They see even more guns as the answer instead of the problem.
And they see any attempt to regulate firearms as some sort of "trick" that ultimately leads to wholesale gun confiscation. They are well-funded, fanatical, and politically vocal. There is no reasoning with them, in my experience.
When I experienced their response to Newtown, I knew that reason was a lost cause.
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Hi there, Jeer.
Could we then agree that the government (which is you and me in a democratic society) has the ability to regulate the type of weaponry that can be manufactured, distributed and sold to the public? Wouldn't that be a reasonable thing to do?
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