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7/27/2015 6:40 am  #1


Will the China Market Collapse bring down the US Market

China shares fall more than 8% on growth concerns

Hard to say IF the Chinese markets collapse will bring down the US markets significantly, but it looks like it will be a rather rocky road till this whole thing unfolds further.  

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33671459
 


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8/03/2015 8:05 am  #2


Re: Will the China Market Collapse bring down the US Market

China factory activity falls to weakest in two years

This along with the 20% drop in the re-opening of the Greek stock market likely bodes not well short term for our own US market. 

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33754851
 


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8/03/2015 9:22 am  #3


Re: Will the China Market Collapse bring down the US Market

I think that a rocky second half of the year is to be expected.

China's path is not sustainable unless they create an internal market for their goods that dwarfs what they have today.


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8/03/2015 9:28 am  #4


Re: Will the China Market Collapse bring down the US Market

As China's era of superfast growth ends, its rulers have no idea what they're doing


By New York Times | 31 Jul, 2015, 02.25PM

Paul Krugman | 


China is at the end of an era - the era of superfast growth, made possible in large part by a vast migration of underemployed peasants from the countryside to coastal cities.

Politicians who preside over economic booms often develop delusions of competence. You can see this domestically: Jeb Bush imagines that he knows the secrets of economic growth because he happened to be governor when Florida was experiencing a giant housing bubble, and he had the good luck to leave office just before it burst. We've seen it in many countries: I still remember the omniscience and omnipotence ascribed to Japanese bureaucrats in the 1980s, before the long stagnation set in.

This is the context in which you need to understand the strange goings-on in China's stock market. In and of itself, the price of Chinese equities shouldn't matter all that much. But the authorities have chosen to put their credibility on the line by trying to control that market - and are in the process of demonstrating that, China's remarkable success over the past 25 years notwithstanding, the nation's rulers have no idea what they're doing.

Start with the fundamentals. China is at the end of an era - the era of superfast growth, made possible in large part by a vast migration of underemployed peasants from the countryside to coastal cities. This reserve of surplus labor is now dwindling, which means that growth must slow.

But China's economic structure is built around the presumption of very rapid growth. Enterprises, many of them state-owned, hoard their earnings rather than return them to the public, which has stunted family incomes; at the same time, individual savings are high, in part because the social safety net is weak, so families accumulate cash just in case. As a result, Chinese spending is lopsided, with very high rates of investment but a very low share of consumer demand in gross domestic product.

This structure was workable as long as torrid economic growth offered sufficient investment opportunities. But now investment is running into rapidly decreasing returns. The result is a nasty transition problem: What happens if investment drops off but consumption doesn't rise fast enough to fill the gap?

What China needs are reforms that spread the purchasing power - and it has, to be fair, been making efforts in that direction. But by all accounts these efforts have fallen short. For example, it has introduced what is supposed to be a national health care system, but in practice many workers fall through the cracks.

Meanwhile, China's leaders appear to be terrified - probably for political reasons - by the prospect of even a brief recession. So they've been pumping up demand by, in effect, force-feeding the system with credit, including fostering a stock market boom. Such measures can work for a while, and all might have been well if the big reforms were moving fast enough. But they aren't, and the result is a bubble that wants to burst.

China's response has been an all-out effort to prop up stock prices. Large shareholders have been blocked from selling; state-run institutions have been told to buy shares; many companies with falling prices have been allowed to suspend trading. These are things you might do for a couple of days to contain an obviously unjustified panic, but they're being applied on a sustained basis to a market that is still far above its level not long ago.

What do Chinese authorities think they're doing?

In part, they may be worried about financial fallout. It seems that a number of players in China borrowed large sums with stocks as security, so that the market's plunge could lead to defaults. This is especially troubling because China has a huge "shadow banking" sector that is essentially unregulated and could easily experience a wave of bank runs.

But it also looks as if the Chinese government, having encouraged citizens to buy stocks, now feels that it must defend stock prices to preserve its reputation. And what it's ending up doing, of course, is shredding that reputation at record speed.

Indeed, every time you think the authorities have done everything possible to destroy their credibility, they top themselves. Lately state-run media have been assigning blame for the stock plunge to, you guessed it, a foreign conspiracy against China, which is even less plausible than you may think: China has long maintained controls that effectively shut foreigners out of its stock market, and it's hard to sell off assets you were never allowed to own in the first place.

So what have we just learned? China's incredible growth wasn't a mirage, and its economy remains a productive powerhouse. The problems of transition to lower growth are obviously major, but we've known that for a while. The big news here isn't about the Chinese economy; it's about China's leaders. Forget everything you've heard about their brilliance and foresightedness. Judging by their current flailing, they have no clue what they're doing.


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8/03/2015 11:37 am  #5


Re: Will the China Market Collapse bring down the US Market

China in addition has a huge local government borrowing problem that was NOT monitored well by the central regieme. It could perhaps prove to be a real problem and create an overal banking problem in the nation overall. 

http://www.financialservicescareer.com.au/archived-news/local-gov-building-love-gives-china-serious-hangover
 


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