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7/13/2018 4:48 am  #1


Trump Lied About Returned War Dead

“It was the last thing I asked, ‘Do you mind, would I be able to get the remains back of all those great heroes from so many years ago?’ And he said, ‘I will do that.’ And you probably read, they have already done 200 people. Which is so great.”

“We’re getting the remains of our great heroes back.”





Let's get one thing straight, whatever your politics are.
The North Koreans have not released a single set of remains.*

Using our war dead as a political prop is unacceptable.
Lying about them is disgusting.




North Korea snubs US on returning Korean War dead




North Korean officials did not show up to meet US officials to discuss returning the remains of US soldiers killed in the Korean War on Thursday, and it's essentially a slap in the face to President Donald Trump.

When Trump made history by meeting North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in Singapore in June under the stated aim of denuclearizing the rogue state, Trump didn't get many concrete promises out of Pyongyang.

But one thing Kim agreed to in writing was "recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified."



* No remains have yet been returned, and it is unclear when that might happen. “We have not yet physically received them,” Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told the Senate Appropriations Committee
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-korean-war-vets_us_5b352c42e4b007aa2f7e5080

Last edited by Goose (7/13/2018 4:53 am)


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

7/13/2018 7:00 am  #2


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Trump’s overblown claims about his “successes” have happened before and will most likely continue into the future. It is just another way for him to bolster his standing among his ignorant base supporters. Instead of seeing the inept, uninformed, and totally unqualified statesman that he is, they still see him as the mega successful reality show, boardroom businessman, self promoting carnival barker that’s working for them.

Analysis: Trump's questionable claims of success

BRUSSELS (AP) — Declaring victory over freeloading partners, President Donald Trump claimed he had secured significant new concessions from NATO member nations on military spending after days of public haranguing. But even before Air Force One completed its 50-minute flight across the English Channel to the next stop on his European tour, Trump's claims of accomplishment were challenged by the same allies he claimed had caved.

Trump's head-spinning 28 hours at the NATO summit in Brussels before visiting Britain reaffirmed a familiar pattern for the salesman-turned-president, who left a chaotic trail behind and whose self-proclaimed accomplishments abroad proved once again to be more show than substance. In the space of eight hours, Trump had moved from doubting the utility of the mutual defense alliance and provoking an extraordinary emergency session of its members to declaring the pact stronger than ever.

It's a playbook Trump has followed before: Trump claimed world-altering success following last month's meeting with Kim Jong Un, when he stated that North Korea was "no longer a nuclear threat" after their historic summit in Singapore. And in May, he took a victory lap on a supposed trade deal with China, only to see it morph into the beginnings of a trade war.

After days of calling on NATO members to increase their defense spending to at least 2 percent of their gross domestic product, accusing Germany of being "totally controlled" by Russia and pondering "what good is NATO?" Trump offered Thursday that "people have stepped up today like they've never stepped up before."

"I've taken over a lot of bad hands and I'm fixing each one of them, and I'm fixing them well," Trump said during a hastily called press conference Thursday. "What they're doing is spending at a much faster clip. They're going up to the 2 percent level."

But statements from NATO allies suggested there was little cause for Trump's self-congratulation.

French President Emmanuel Macron denied there were any new spending commitments.

He said: "There is a communique that was published yesterday. It's very detailed. It confirms the goal of 2 percent by 2024. That's all."

That 2024 goal had been set in 2014.

Instead of new pledges, NATO members appeared to try to placate Trump by giving him a share of the credit for progress that had already been under way.

"I made clear that we know that we have to do more and that we have been doing so for quite a while," said German Chancellor Angela Merkel. "That turning point has long been initiated."

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg demurred when asked what Trump had accomplished, saying the allies "agree that we need to deliver on our commitments."

He did allow, though, that there was "a new sense of urgency" about increasing military spending.

Trump's boasts of achievement have come under question before.

North Korea has yet to take substantial steps to dismantle its nuclear arsenal, and on Thursday appeared to backtrack on a pledge to repatriate the remains of American war dead — a move that Trump weeks ago said the North had already undertaken. A letter from Kim that Trump tweeted out Thursday heralded the "start of a meaningful journey" between the two nations, but made no mention of denuclearization.

Trump's tweet: "A very nice note from Chairman Kim of North Korea. Great progress being made!"

The display at NATO shows how Trump, who views himself as a world-class negotiator, likes to play both good cop and bad cop himself. On Wednesday, he showed up at a breakfast meeting with Stoltenberg steaming mad, charmed allies at a black-tie dinner that evening, and sent them reeling Thursday morning, only to praise their efforts hours later.

That mercurial side of Trump is less likely to be experienced Monday by Russian President Vladimir Putin, with whom Trump has been anticipating a sit-down for weeks.

The president set himself a low bar for what he'll achieve in Moscow, telling reporters: "I think we go into that meeting looking for not so much." He said it could lead to "something very productive — and maybe it's not."

His diplomatic team argues the meeting in itself should be seen as notable achievement, so look for more grand proclamations next week.

Lithuanian President Dalia Grybauskaite told reporters she's comfortable with the Trump-Putin summit, but it "depends very much on outcomes."

"These two people are very different, very interestingly different," she said. "Hopefully nothing bad happens."

 

7/13/2018 9:20 am  #3


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Lying is what he does best. 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

7/13/2018 11:23 am  #4


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I gotta admit, this guy is exhausting me as I try to keep up with fact-checking everything he says and does.  Does anyone else feel the same way?  Evidently many congressmen must feel the same way or maybe they're too busy fund raising for their next campaign.

Last edited by Just Fred (7/13/2018 11:26 am)

 

7/28/2018 1:35 pm  #5


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Remains of 55 U.S. War Dead in North Korea Start Journey Home After 65 Years


An honor guard greeted the arrival of the remains of American servicemen returned by North Korea on FridayAs the honor guard and the troops stood at attention, 55 small coffins containing the remains were individually carried out of the plane by dress-uniformed soldiers and loaded into six vans. Each of the boxes was wrapped with the United Nations flag, the flag that American troops fought under in the Korean War. From Osan Air Base, the remains will be transferred to the Hawaii-based Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency, where painstaking forensic work will be carried out to identify them. Remains that were returned in the past from North Korea were found to be mixed with those of unidentified individuals and even with animal bones.
 

Last edited by Common Sense (7/28/2018 1:36 pm)


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
 

7/28/2018 1:39 pm  #6


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"Let's get one thing straight, whatever your politics are.
The North Koreans have not released a single set of remains.*"


Correct they released 55 sets of remains!  The families of those 55 servicemen will be relived to have their family member back on US soil.

 

Last edited by Common Sense (7/28/2018 1:41 pm)


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
 

7/28/2018 2:46 pm  #7


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Common Sense wrote:

"Let's get one thing straight, whatever your politics are.
The North Koreans have not released a single set of remains.*"


Correct they released 55 sets of remains!  The families of those 55 servicemen will be relived to have their family member back on US soil.

 

Welcome back.

Please pay attention to the date/time stamp on the post that you are responding to.

At the time of that post, July 13, 2018, North Korea had not released a single set of remains to the US, while President Trump had claimed that 200 sets of remains had already been returned.

I'm happy for the families who may finally receive the remains of their loved ones.

However, the fact remains, Donald Trump lied about the return of Korean War dead.
Whatever your politics are, this is fact.

 

Last edited by Goose (7/28/2018 2:47 pm)


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
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