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6/21/2017 12:09 pm  #1


Russia 'Used Fake News and Propaganda' to Undermine U.S. Election, FBI

I am going to assume, for now, that Trump did NOT collude with the Russians.
We desperately need Presidential leadership on this. Trump's stubborn denial of Russian interference is political malpractice. He will not acknowledge Russian interference in the election because he fears that doing so  will in some way make his victory seem less grand.

Trump is putting his ego ahead of the national interest.
Or something more sinister is going on.


Russia 'Used Fake News and Propaganda' to Undermine U.S. Election, FBI Says

Richard Lardner and Deb Riechmann / AP

11:24 AM ET (WASHINGTON) — Current and former government officials painted a sinister portrait Wednesday of Russian cyberattacks on the United States aimed at interfering in the U.S. presidential election last year. Moscow stockpiled stolen information and selectively disseminated it during the campaign in an effort to undermine the legitimacy of the American political process, they said.The Russians "used fake news and propaganda and they also used online amplifiers to spread the information to as many people as possible,"
Bill Priestap, the FBI's top counterintelligence official, told the Senate Intelligence committee.

While he said the Russians had conducted covert operations targeting past American elections, the internet "has allowed Russia to do so much more" than before. But, he added, the "scale and aggressiveness" was different this time, with the primary goal being to sow discord and aid the candidacy of Republican Donald Trump, the eventual winner. I believe the Russians will absolutely try to continue to conduct influence operations in the U.S.," which will include cyberattacks, Priestap said.{

The House Intelligence committee, also investigating Russian meddling in the election, heard former Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson from the Obama administration say that the high-tech intrusion did not change ballots, the final count or the reporting of election results. Johnson described the steps he took once he learned of the hacking of the Democratic National Committee, his fears about an attack on the election itself and his rationale for designating U.S. election systems, including polling places and voter registration databases, as critical infrastructure in early January, two weeks before Donald Trump's inauguration

."In 2016 the Russian government, at the direction of (President) Vladimir Putin himself, orchestrated cyberattacks on our nation for the purpose of influencing our election — plain and simple," Johnson said.

Johnson described his discussions with state election officials about ensuring the integrity of the voting process. He said 33 states and 36 cities and counties used his department's tools to scan for potential vulnerabilities. He also said he contacted The Associated Press, which counts votes, and its CEO, Gary Pruitt.

"Prior to Election Day, I also personally reviewed with the CEO of The Associated Press its long-standing election-day reporting process, including the redundancies and safeguards in its systems," Johnson said.

In the end, Johnson said, "To my current knowledge, the Russian government did not through any cyber intrusion alter ballots, ballot counts or reporting of election results. I am not in a position to know whether the successful Russian government-directed hacks of the DNC and elsewhere did in fact alter public opinion and thereby alter the outcome of the presidential election."

Johnson was homeland security chief for the Democratic president from December 2013 to January 2017. The Senate committee was hearing from officials at DHS and the FBI's counterintelligence division. Special counsel Robert Mueller is conducting an inquiry into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian officials.Trump has decried the investigations as witch hunts and has rejected the assessment by U.S. intelligence agencies that Russia's hacking and disinformation campaign was intended to aid his candidacy.

Johnson's designation of U.S. election systems as critical infrastructure was aimed at providing more federal cybersecurity assistance to state and local governments.Johnson announced the shift on the same day as the release of a declassified U.S. intelligence report that said Putin "ordered" an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the U.S. presidential election. That report said Russian intelligence services had "obtained and maintained access to elements of multiple U.S. state or local electoral boards."

None of the systems targeted or compromised was involved in vote tallying, the report said, and there was no indication Russia's prying changed vote counts in key states. But Johnson's decision triggered an outcry from state and federal election organization officials. They complained that Johnson's department failed to respond to questions and concerns they had about the designation before the change was made.American elections are highly decentralized. Voters cast ballots in roughly 185,000 precincts spread over 9,000 jurisdictions during the 2016 presidential election. Elections are also subject to rigorous and elaborate rules that govern how and what equipment is used.

 

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We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

6/21/2017 1:00 pm  #2


Re: Russia 'Used Fake News and Propaganda' to Undermine U.S. Election, FBI

I've given up on the Trump administration.

And I'm close to giving up on the partisan politics championed by the two major political parties in Washington DC. The kind of crap that goes on in the branches of the federal government, especially the legislature, is seeping down into state politics. I'm skeptical of all legislators' ability to truly represent the wants and needs of "The American People" as opposed to their own personal priorities, their party affiliation, and the demands of their wealthy donors.

When Benjamin Franklin was asked if we had a republic or a monarchy, Franklin replied: "A republic, if you can keep it.”

I'm not so sure we are able to keep our representative republic with the kind of divisiveness in our government and our society that we experience today.

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6/21/2017 5:20 pm  #3


Re: Russia 'Used Fake News and Propaganda' to Undermine U.S. Election, FBI

I'm not so sure we are able to keep our representative republic with the kind of divisiveness in our government and our society that we experience today.  -  rongone

I agree.  Time to break up the union, carve out 4 or 5 separate nations, and let the red states deal with the cuts in federal funding provided by blue state taxpayers.

 

 

6/21/2017 6:09 pm  #4


Re: Russia 'Used Fake News and Propaganda' to Undermine U.S. Election, FBI

Just Fred wrote:

I'm not so sure we are able to keep our representative republic with the kind of divisiveness in our government and our society that we experience today.  -  rongone

I agree.  Time to break up the union, carve out 4 or 5 separate nations, and let the red states deal with the cuts in federal funding provided by blue state taxpayers.

 

I share the sentiment, Fred, and would love to be free of these people.
But, I am left with the nagging fear that, without the US, the world would become a much more dangerous place.
Am I wrong?


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6/21/2017 7:49 pm  #5


Re: Russia 'Used Fake News and Propaganda' to Undermine U.S. Election, FBI

The thought has run though my mind more than once.  Has the USA become so big, so diverse, so populated that to organize a central government for this nation has become an almost impossible task?  Unifying and managing 13 colonies is one thing, but 50 states spread out from Maine to Alaska to Florida to Hawaii might be another thing.  Now we are toying with the idea of adding Puerto Rico?

 

6/22/2017 4:50 am  #6


Re: Russia 'Used Fake News and Propaganda' to Undermine U.S. Election, FBI

Just Fred wrote:

The thought has run though my mind more than once.  Has the USA become so big, so diverse, so populated that to organize a central government for this nation has become an almost impossible task?  Unifying and managing 13 colonies is one thing, but 50 states spread out from Maine to Alaska to Florida to Hawaii might be another thing.  Now we are toying with the idea of adding Puerto Rico?

Watched some of the Trump show last night, the people cheering. Put me down for secession. I've had enough.

Perhaps the nation has just lost it's unifyng principles and cultural cohesiveness. It happens
Hey, Mississippi is five times further away from me in miles than is Montreal. And culturally, it is a world away.
I don't feel that I have much in common with the majorities down there. Different ideals, different dreams. Hey we can't even share a common understanding of science or history. I feel more simpatico with my neighbors to the north.

But, I'm safe in Massachusetts. Fred, where you live, I'm not sure what side of the Wall you will end up on.
Don't worry, My Country will accept refugees. 
 

Last edited by Goose (6/22/2017 5:56 am)


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