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5/18/2015 2:43 pm  #1


Disaster in Iraq

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32777138


Ramadi battle: Shia militias near IS-held Iraqi city

Shia militias are assembling east of the Iraqi city of Ramadi to prepare for a counter-attack against Islamic State militants who captured it on Sunday.
Iraqi state TV described tanks and other military vehicles entering al-Habbaniyah military camp. IS fighters are reportedly moving towards the base.

The Iraqi government called for help from the Iran-backed militias after the military was routed and fled.

About 500 people died in the city - only 70 miles (112km) west of Baghdad.
Shia forces at Habbaniya, about 20km (12 miles) from Ramadi, were "now on standby," the head of the Anbar provincial council, Sabah Karhout, was quoted by Reuters as saying.
In a statement, the council said about 3,000 Shia fighters had arrived in Anbar to take part in "the liberation of all Ramadi areas in which IS militants took positions".

But IS militants had also advanced from Ramadi to the outskirts of the town of al-Khalidiyah, near the Habbaniyah base, an IS statement and witnesses said.

The fall of Ramadi is a disaster for the Iraqi army and government, and especially its Prime Minister, Haider al-Abadi.
After the recapture of another provincial capital, Tikrit, at the end of March, he announced the start of a similar campaign to "liberate" Anbar province (the country's biggest) and flew to Ramadi to kick it off.
Now Ramadi has gone, and along with it the military command centre for the whole province. A few days before the final collapse on Sunday, Mr Abadi said he would not allow it to fall.
It did.


Now he and the largely Sunni provincial council have had to do what they didn't want - to call in the Iranian-backed Shia militias who were instrumental on the ground in recapturing Tikrit.
They will play the lead role if Ramadi is to be recaptured. Will the Americans bomb to support them, and help spread Iranian penetration and control in Iraq?
Shias in a Sunni heartland
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The US admitted on Monday the loss of Ramadi was a setback.
However, the White House vowed US forces would help the Iraqi government take it back.
Pentagon spokesman Col Steven Warren said: "This is a difficult, complex, bloody fight. And there's going to be victories and setbacks. We will retake Ramadi."
The Shia militias, known as the Popular Mobilisation (Hashid Shaabi), were key to the recapture from IS of another city, Tikrit, north of Baghdad, in April.
But their use has raised concern in the US and elsewhere that it could provoke sectarian tension in Sunni areas such as Ramadi.
The militias pulled out of Tikrit following reports of widespread violence and looting.
In another move, the Iranian Defence Minister, Hossein Dehghan, has arrived in Baghdad on a visit arranged before the latest developments in Ramadi.
'Purged' city?
The police and military made a chaotic retreat from Ramadi, which has been contested for months, after days of intense fighting.
A statement purportedly from IS said its fighters had "purged the entire city". It said IS had taken the 8th Brigade army base, along with tanks and missile launchers left behind by troops.

An Iraqi army officer told the BBC that most troops had retreated to a military base in the city of Khalidiya, east of Ramadi, despite an order from Prime Minister Abadi for them to stand firm.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

5/18/2015 3:23 pm  #2


Re: Disaster in Iraq

In 2003 the U.S. invaded Iraq. Shortly thereafter, we declared victory. The group of neophyte diplomats and political staffers that deployed to Sadam's old palaces to develop a framework to establish a sound democratic government in Iraq immediately disbanded the old Iraqi armed forces and police security apparatus in a further effort to purge all evidence of Sadam's Bathist power structure. Looting and sectarian violence followed soon after these steps were taken.

So, for the last dozen or so years, the U.S. has been attempting to maintain order in the remnants of Iraq's political, military, economic, and social systems demise in the aftermath of this SNAFU we helped create utilizing our armed forces. Not only were our young men and women in uniform trying to police social unrest, and repelling attacks from outside radicals, our government charged these people with training and rebuilding an Iraqi defense force.

That effort has been an abject failure. Not because our troops have done a lousy job in training, but because the Iraqi "soldiers" have little taste for wartime operations over the long haul. The Iraqi conscripts or volunteers are looking for some clothes, a place to live, three square meals a day, and a paycheck. The possibility of giving their lives for the sake of their country is a foreign concept to them. How many instances do we have to experience of the Iraqi "army" dropping their arms, stripping off their uniforms, leaving their equipment for the enemy, and turning tail and running away when faced with opposition forces? Ramadi is just the latest example. The thing that pisses me off the most is that we stay there, continuing to lose American lives, for the supposed benefit of a bunch of people who, apparently, don't care.

Are we ever going to learn?

 

5/21/2015 12:53 pm  #3


Re: Disaster in Iraq

Apparently, we won't learn . . .

We'll just bend the facts and distort history . . .

That will allow us to place blame rather than solve the problem as this article from the Washington Post demonstrates:



Morning Plum: The new GOP strategy on Iraq is to blame Obama

After struggling for days with questions about the genesis of the Iraq War, the GOP presidential candidates appear to be coalescing behind a new strategy: Shift the focus to what’s happening in Iraq right now, and blame it all on Obama.

As a number of us have noted, the current line of questioning for Republicans and Hillary Clinton about Iraq — “would you have supported the invasion knowing what we know now?” — is deeply flawed, and risks whitewashing the real history of the run-up to the war. Now, however, it seems possible that this weak line of questioning might actually aid and abet the current GOP strategy for talking about Iraq.

Robert Costa has the goods on the Republican rhetorical shift that’s underway:

After more than a decade bearing the political burden of Iraq, Republicans are making a dogged effort to shed it by arguing that the Islamic State’s gruesome ascent is a symptom of Obama’s foreign policy, rather than a byproduct of the 2003 invasion they once championed….

At the least, it is an attempt to have Iraq seen as a shared failure, begun by a Republican president and a Republican-controlled Congress but inherited and fumbled by Democrats….

The political endgame for Republicans is a general election where Clinton can be portrayed as someone who initially backed the U.S. mission but did not see it through. In that sense, foisting blame on Obama is only the first step in the GOP’s aims. Knowing their ownership of the invasion in the eyes of voters has not faded, they would like to distance themselves from the messy debate over weapons of mass destruction and make the Islamic State — how it rose and how to stop it — the central political battleground on foreign policy.

Jeb Bush is already testing out this new strategy. It’s hard to say whether it will work: While blaming Obama is a sure-fire winner among GOP primary voters, the middle of the country may still have firm memories of Iraq as Bush’s War. The strategy also risks putting more pressure on Republicans to detail what they would do in Iraq instead. Of course, with the situation in Iraq deteriorating, and with Obama’s numbers on foreign policy ailing, perhaps many Americans will be open to spreading the blame around.

Former Florida governor Jeb Bush (R) is taking heat for a series of answers he gave on whether he would have authorized the war in Iraq. Here’s what he said this week. (Jhaan Elker/The Washington Post)

It’s also worth noting, though, that the current sanitizing of the history of the Iraq War could help in this effort. The “knowing what you know now” question simplifies the genesis of the Iraq War by blaming it all on a supposed intelligence failure. That alone whitewashes away the fact that many critics warned at the time that the intelligence might not actually indicate what Bush and company claimed it did, and that Bush might be cherry-picking intel to help build the case for an invasion. Worse, as Peter Beinart and James Fallows explain, this narrative also obscures the fact that invading was a bad idea regardless of whether Saddam had WMDs — because it risked creating all kind of unintended consequences.

The simplistic line of questioning could help the new GOP rhetorical strategy. The story now becomes: Hey, we wouldn’t have invaded Iraq based on what we know now, and it was a mistake, given the intelligence failure. But since we did, what really matters is how we prosecute the current conflict. This is now all about Obama’s strategy — Bush’s “mistake” is old news — and Obama’s weakness is really to blame for the current mess.

It is of course legitimate, and desirable, to have a forward-looking debate over what we should do now, as well as over Obama’s role in helping create the status quo and his strategy there going forward. But the current chaos should not be divorced from the original decision to invade and the wrong-headed thinking that actually drove it. That decoupling also risks burying the question of whether the candidates have learned anything from that failed thinking as they discuss what should come next. The flawed line of questioning about the run-up to the war risks enabling all of this.

It will be on Democrats to prevent that from happening. But they might find themselves constrained in their ability to do that, since Clinton and Democrats, too, have an interest in keeping the questions safely confined to shallow “based on what you know now” waters.

 

5/21/2015 1:09 pm  #4


Re: Disaster in Iraq

Shameful.
But, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. There are still those who feel that the failure in Vietnam was that we didn't stay even longer and drop more bombs.

So, yea, we never learn.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
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