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3/17/2017 8:44 am  #1


We’re not spending any money on that anymore!

Office of Management and Budget Mick Mulvaney while answering reporter questions said this:

“Regarding the question as to climate change,” Mulvaney bluntly responded, “I think the president was fairly straight forward – we’re not spending any money on that anymore.”

“We consider that to be a waste of your money, to go out there and do that, so that is a specific tie to his campaign,” and then he moved on.

Last edited by Common Sense (3/17/2017 8:45 am)


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
 

3/17/2017 8:46 am  #2


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3, 2, 1.....   Hysteria erupting.  


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
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3/17/2017 8:50 am  #3


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Common, have you always been a fan of pollutants?


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

3/17/2017 9:20 am  #4


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Who cares about clean drinking water or the Chesapeake Bay ?! 

Oh, Brorther ! 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

3/17/2017 9:28 am  #5


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Take away the term "Climate Change" and at the end of the day, what Mulvaney and Trump are saying is that they don't want to invest money into the science behind understanding the global climate, weather, and what could become of our environment in the next 5, 10, 50, 100 years.

In theory, the administration could invest in climate research, put the scientists to work and the scientists could bring back data that says the climate isn't warming, or maybe new, honest information comes forth that says Global Warming is slowing or reversing.

Instead, the Trump budget just wants to ignore it. This is anti-science and it is frankly, dangerous.

Trump is always yapping about how he wants to make America great again. One of the things that has made America great throughout our short history is how much we've led the world in scientific and technological advancements. I don't understand why Trump would want to risk America's leadership in this space.

If Trump really believes in National Security, he'd recognize that it's more that guns and missiles and walls. It's also making sure that farmers can grow crops. That our food supply is safe. That people have access to fresh water. This is stuff we take fore granted but we just can't assume it will always be there. Stuff like this is basic functions of a western government and certainly the duty of a nation as wealthy as ours.

Trump has taken ignorance of science to an art form and while anything he does can be reversed down the road, it's just really perplexing why he would want to obstruct scientific research.  


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

3/17/2017 9:45 am  #6


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That was very well put, Lager.
How anyone could be hostile to the idea of acquiring scientific knowledge is just beyond my understanding.
Either they are afraid of what the facts might show them, or they are the most supremely smug and arrogant people to ever walk the earth.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

3/17/2017 9:47 am  #7


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Goose wrote:

That was very well put, Lager.
How anyone could be hostile to the idea of acquiring scientific knowledge is just beyond my understanding.
Either they are afraid of what the facts might show them, or they are the most supremely smug and arrogant people to ever walk the earth.

Why use facts when you can use conspiracy theorists and all the other ilk ! 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

3/17/2017 2:35 pm  #8


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Scientists Bristle at Trump Budget’s Cuts to Research

Before he became president, Donald J. Trump called climate change a hoax, questioned the safety of vaccines and mocked renewable energy as a plaything of “tree-huggers.”

So perhaps it is no surprise that Mr. Trump’s first budget took direct aim at basic scientific and medical research.

Still, the extent of the cuts in the proposed budget unveiled early Thursday shocked scientists, researchers and program administrators. The reductions include $5.8 billion, or 18 percent, from the National Institutes of Health, which fund thousands of researchers working on cancer and other diseases, and $900 million, or a little less than 20 percent, from the Department of Energy’s Office of Science, which funds the national laboratories, considered among the crown jewels of basic research in the world.

The White House is also proposing to eliminate climate science programs throughout the federal government, including at the Environmental Protection Agency.
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“Do they not think that there are advances to be made, improvements to be made, in the human condition?” said Rush D. Holt, a physicist and the chief executive of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. “The record of scientific research is so good, for so many years — who would want to sell it short? What are they thinking?”

The American Society of Clinical Oncology, the leading professional society for cancer specialists, issued a statement warning that the proposed budget “will devastate our nation’s already fragile federal research infrastructure.”

“Now is not the time to slow progress in finding new treatments and cures for patients with cancer,” the group said.
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Some cuts were singled out for criticism. The proposed budget would eliminate the Fogarty International Center, an N.I.H. program focused on global health. The center, founded in the 1960s, has worked on H.I.V./AIDS, Ebola, diabetes, dengue, maternal mortality and numerous other health problems, and trains American and foreign doctors and researchers in developing countries.

“The Fogarty Center advances United States national interests in a multitude of ways, and it would be terribly unfortunate for the institution to cease to exist,” said J. Stephen Morrison, senior vice president of the Center for Strategic and International Studies and a member of the Fogarty Center’s advisory board.

“It has a high reputation outside our borders,” Dr. Morrison said of the center, which has had annual appropriations of about $70 million. “It’s a very tiny institution,” he added, in terms of the overall budget.
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Judith Enck, a regional E.P.A. official in the Obama administration and now a visiting scholar at Pace University School of Law, called the proposed science cuts in her former agency “nonsensical.”

Noting that one of the programs being cut monitors chemicals known as endocrine disrupters, she said, “Not having the latest science on endocrine disrupters will make more people sick. And that is not something the states will pick up.”
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Eliminating laboratory research on climate change, as the budget proposes, can have real-world effects, experts said, by making it harder to predict storms or other weather events that cause devastation and loss of life.

“Cutting scientific research in E.P.A. and NASA and NOAA and other science agencies is not going to help us have more information on the causes and, more important, the effects of climate change,” said Vicki Arroyo, the executive director of the Georgetown Climate Center and a former E.P.A. official.
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The budget also calls for eliminating some programs that help bridge the divide between basic research and commercialization. Among the most prominent of these is the Advanced Research Projects Agency — Energy, known as ARPA-E, the Energy Department office that funds research in innovative energy technologies with a goal of getting products to market. Its annual appropriation of about $300 million would be eliminated.

James J. Greenberger, the executive director of NAATBatt International, a trade group for the advanced battery industry, said ARPA-E had been of enormous benefit to the industry.

“We’re absolutely stunned by it,” Mr. Greenberger said of the agency’s potential elimination, which he announced to industry leaders gathered at his group’s annual conference in Arizona. “I don’t know what’s going through the administration’s head. It’s almost surreal.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/16/climate/trump-budget-science-research.html?rref=collection%2Ftimestopic%2FGlobal%20Warming&action=click&contentCollection=science&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=collection


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

3/17/2017 3:37 pm  #9


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And, the march toward a third world nation continues.  But, hey, we had a pretty good run for a century or two.

We all should be reminded of the nations that led the world at one time, and whose cultures and scholars were considered cutting edge at the time ..................... Aztecs, Greeks, Sumerians, Egyptians, Etruscans, etc.  Then what happened?

Last edited by Just Fred (3/17/2017 3:38 pm)

 

3/17/2017 6:54 pm  #10


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Perhaps Common could articulate the argument for cutting this funding?
I'm all ears.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

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