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3/28/2015 8:20 am  #1


Farmers skeptical of Wolf’s tax plan

Farmers skeptical of Wolf’s tax plan
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HARRISBURG — Gov. Tom Wolf’s property tax relief plan is running into resistance from an unlikely source – people with a lot of property.The Pennsylvania Farm Bureau objects to the plan as not doing enough to help farmers.Its qualms focus on the fact that Wolf’s tax relief first helps residential property owners. That includes farmsteads — where farmers live and work — but not necessarily other agricultural land.“Our members need land, they need large amounts of land,” said Mark O’Neill, spokesman for the Farm Bureau. “The vast majority of the tax that farmers pay is on their farmland.”

Last edited by Common Sense (3/28/2015 8:21 am)


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3/28/2015 8:37 am  #2


Re: Farmers skeptical of Wolf’s tax plan

I think to some extent, helping residential property owners would help farmers by proxy. If people have more of their money to spend, good food producers will definitely benefit.

 

3/28/2015 8:42 am  #3


Re: Farmers skeptical of Wolf’s tax plan

Aside from the fact that agricultural farms receive heavy subsidies and low interest loans to help continue their business, landowners have many options that enable them to reduce their tax burden -- both federal and state.

The following article from Forbes provides some insight. The title of the article is "Farm Like a Billionaire -- Harvest Tax Breaks".

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleaebeling/2012/06/06/farm-like-a-billionaire-harvest-tax-breaks/3/

Look, if you try to modify/simplify/change the current voluminous tax code, somebody (usually somebody afraid they're going to lose a deduction they've come to enjoy) are going to express dissatisfaction, usually threatening dire circumstances will result for others due to the impending change.

 

3/28/2015 8:58 am  #4


Re: Farmers skeptical of Wolf’s tax plan

Rongone wrote:

Aside from the fact that agricultural farms receive heavy subsidies and low interest loans to help continue their business, landowners have many options that enable them to reduce their tax burden -- both federal and state.

The following article from Forbes provides some insight. The title of the article is "Farm Like a Billionaire -- Harvest Tax Breaks".

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleaebeling/2012/06/06/farm-like-a-billionaire-harvest-tax-breaks/3/


Look, if you try to modify/simplify/change the current voluminous tax code, somebody (usually somebody afraid they're going to lose a deduction they've come to enjoy) are going to express dissatisfaction, usually threatening dire circumstances will result for others due to the impending change.

Guess the farmers here don't know how good they have it? Multigenerational family farms are being sold piece by piece to pay property taxes. Many small farms are being destroyed a few acres at a time. Sold to pay the taxes!


 


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
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3/28/2015 9:03 am  #5


Re: Farmers skeptical of Wolf’s tax plan

How many farms in PA were "destroyed" last year to pay taxes?


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

3/28/2015 9:13 am  #6


Re: Farmers skeptical of Wolf’s tax plan

Common Sense wrote:

Rongone wrote:

Aside from the fact that agricultural farms receive heavy subsidies and low interest loans to help continue their business, landowners have many options that enable them to reduce their tax burden -- both federal and state.

The following article from Forbes provides some insight. The title of the article is "Farm Like a Billionaire -- Harvest Tax Breaks".

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleaebeling/2012/06/06/farm-like-a-billionaire-harvest-tax-breaks/3/


Look, if you try to modify/simplify/change the current voluminous tax code, somebody (usually somebody afraid they're going to lose a deduction they've come to enjoy) are going to express dissatisfaction, usually threatening dire circumstances will result for others due to the impending change.

Guess the farmers here don't know how good they have it? Multigenerational family farms are being sold piece by piece to pay property taxes. Many small farms are being destroyed a few acres at a time. Sold to pay the taxes!


 

 

Having had some experience in this (140 acre farm in the family down near The Brogue) I agree that some small farms have sold off partially or completely. Some, but not all, of this is due to poor management. Some due to just wanting to get out of the business. Sometimes a family decision by surviving family members.

Our family farm has gone through several changes -- pure agricultural crops, tree farming, horse breeding/training/boarding -- and each iteration has programs that are advantageous to the landowner that investigates, applies, and is accepted.

I'm just saying that you just can't listen to alarmist proclamations by individuals or groups that have greedy, self promotional, interests without questioning their motives.

"We fear change."     Garth Algar

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3/28/2015 9:17 am  #7


Re: Farmers skeptical of Wolf’s tax plan

Rongone seems to have some knowledge of the subject.
Wanna re-think the snarky attitude, Common?


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

3/28/2015 9:21 am  #8


Re: Farmers skeptical of Wolf’s tax plan

I really think people need to understand and acknowledge the difference between family farms and factory farms. The industry wants you to view them as the same and they are most definitely not. In reality, most family farms are not even owned by the people doing the farming. Usually someone else owns the land, and a farmer and his family work the land, but have no real control over when and if it's sold off. Large factory farms put extreme pressures on small family farms by way of bigger subsidies and downward pressure on prices that smaller farms find it dificult to compete with. I find that putting them all under "farms" is not all that disimilar to grouping all "rich" people together. It's easier, but not at all accurate.

 

3/28/2015 9:24 am  #9


Re: Farmers skeptical of Wolf’s tax plan

http://gomytown.com/bb3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=9259&p=244616

"As I look into the most immediate future and then meditate on the long range probabilities of rising Property Taxes, I cannot help but wonder what is to come of our properties hat have been invested in and paid taxes on, for several generations. It has always been the long range plan of our family to keep the farm intact and continue to pass it on to the next generation. With the situation as it is, and the Legislature's not feeling any responsibility to make a logical decision to just raise the Sales Tax and end all this,

I have truly been thinking of when we might be faced to sell to survive in the long run of things. We, here in Pennsylvania, depend on the farmland and the farmers for the means of producing the milk, beef, and food chain crops necessary for survival of all Pennsylvanians. I don't have to tell you that family farms are disappearing at an alarming rate and the acreage being sold off for whatever... Please use your influence to do whatever is necessary to curtail the increases of taxes and help, not only the Farmer, but all Pennsylvanians. Where one is helped all gain. - Rev. Tom Blackall, Monroeton, Bradford County"


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
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3/28/2015 9:32 am  #10


Re: Farmers skeptical of Wolf’s tax plan

Rongone seems to have some knowledge of the subject.

Does anyone know how many multi-generational family farms were "destroyed" by taxes last year?

Last edited by Tarnation (3/28/2015 9:15 pm)


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